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Crazy Ideas about Draft moves for Pels
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:48 pm
Stuck in traffic in Beaumont, TX so naturally reading PT and listening to NBA radio. Eddie Johnson just pitched that the Clips need a larger size 2 that can "defend" multiple positions and can create offensively. I know Evans doesn't particularly fit that mold perfectly but do you think they could be a possible trade partner (perhaps for their late first)?
Also read that the Knicks want to trade the 4th pick for a vet. Think Ryno can be shipped there with some help? We can then take WCS at 4 and have him be our backup 5 until he's ready to start...
I know it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that this could and will happen, but figure it was worth a discussion.
Also read that the Knicks want to trade the 4th pick for a vet. Think Ryno can be shipped there with some help? We can then take WCS at 4 and have him be our backup 5 until he's ready to start...
I know it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that this could and will happen, but figure it was worth a discussion.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:53 pm
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:52 pm to BallHawk
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I know Evans doesn't particularly fit that mold perfectly but do you think they could be a possible trade partner?
I remember CP3 getting mad at MT5 for being a ball hog and doing stupid things. He would hate Tyreke. Not to mention if they say they want a bigger 2 I assume it's about defense, not the ability to shoot over defenders, and Tyreke doesn't really help you on defense.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:54 pm to TigerinATL
ATL, I wonder if we could be a facilitator in a deal like this in that we get a third team involved that could use Reke and has the type of 2 the Clips are looking for whereas we get a bench piece + a draft pick...?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:03 pm to BallHawk
The problem with Tyreke is that despite his productivity, he's not a great fit many places. He's not quite good enough to be the lead guard you build your offense around, but he doesn't play well enough off ball to be an SG, and his team defense is a nightmare. 6th man is really what he's best suited for and there aren't too many teams in the market for a $10 million 6th man, at least not ones with much of what we want in return.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:38 pm to BallHawk
This year is crucial for the Pelicans. They need a draft pick, and they really screwed that up. They need to trade for a pick in the late top 10 to try to snag either Willie Caullie Stein, Sam Dekker, Kelly Oubre, or any other SF or C prospect.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:39 pm to BallHawk
You really want to trade Evans for a late first?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:45 pm to PortCityTiger24
If we can get that pick from the Clips and a decent bench piece we can flip the pick with Ryno and maybe even that same bench piece for the higher pick. Go out and get a backup SG. We keep Gordon in this scenario..
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:59 pm to LSUfan97
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This year is crucial for the Pelicans. They need a draft pick, and they really screwed that up. They need to trade for a pick in the late top 10 to try to snag either Willie Caullie Stein, Sam Dekker, Kelly Oubre, or any other SF or C prospect.
no asik, no playoffs. 100% sure of that. We have 3 pieces that are moveable this year, but for what is the main question.
Ryno is a one-dimensional stretch 4 that can space the floor.
Gordon has become an even better catch and shoot SG that can space as well.
Tyreke is a primary ball handler that can't shoot well, but gets to the rim at will.
What do you get for them that improves this team...?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 6:39 pm to htran90
I don't even need to look at statistics because I watched 75 out of the 82 games this year. Tyreke really improved his 3 point shot and didn't take nearly as many mid-range shots as he used too. The only thing he did consistenly was get to the basket, but he doesn't have the athleticism that I thought he did and flips the ball up from his hip, which is a horrible habit. If we get a coach here that would bench him and show him up when he plays hero ball he will be much more efficient. Ryan Anderson is a luxury and he's who needs to be traded, not tyreke. Tyreke was 2nd behind James Harden in points in the paint for a guard and he can get to the rim at will but he needs to learn to pass more and explode towards the rim instead of euro stepping 8 times out of 10 and flipping the ball from his hip. Gordon with his expiring and Anderson are much more likely to be moved for a draft pick. If coach calipari came here he would be perfect for tyreke Evans. One thing I hated about monty is he showed no emotion, and refused to discipline his players and instill some sort of pressure on them, which led to tyreke hero ball. Tyreke needs to come off the bench anyways and not play with Anthony Davis.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 6:51 pm to MrPel
Wall of text, didn't read
Posted on 5/21/15 at 7:14 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Surprisingly insightful post from the notorious MrNegaPel.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 7:22 pm to MrPel
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Tyreke really improved his 3 point shot and didn't take nearly as many mid-range shots as he used too.
His career 3pt shooting and attempts before this year...?
26.8% and 0.5/1.9 per game for 1.53ppg
This year?
30.4% and 0.9/2.9 per game for 2.65ppg
Taking away that 1 shot and still giving him the increased % would have been 1.73ppg a difference of 0.92ppg.
Giving any player on the team that can hit a 2pt shot >46% would have resulted in a higher point per attempt or letting EG, QPon, Cole, or Ryno that shot would have been smarter.
Extremely inefficient even if he improved 3.6%.
I do like that he reduced his mid-range jumper from a career 16.8% (2.39 fga) of his shots to only 11.0% (1.62 fga) and went from shooting 31.9% to 39.1%.
That means he went from a midrange shot of...
0.76/2.39 fg = 1.52 ppg to 0.63/1.62 fg = 1.26 ppg
So between the mid-range + 3pt shooting, he went from:
1.26/4.29 fg/3pt (29.4%) = 3.05 ppg (career)
1.53/4.52 fg/3pt (33.8%) = 3.91 ppg (2014)
Improvement, but still very inefficient.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 7:32 pm to htran90
I thought his 3pt % was a little more improved than that but i didn't know his mid range had improved that much, but I didn't need to look anything up bc I watched enough games to know he improved. We need a sharp shooting SF to pair with him off the bench that doesn't include Babbitt. Tyreke has talent and is still young and relatively cheap, but he needs to learn how to take contact bc he's a big dude and should be able to out strengthen whoever is guarding him instead of a little push off flip shot or the obvious euro step into a defender that turns into a bad shot or a forced pass in mid air.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:57 pm to LSUfan97
News flash: the nba draft is a crap shoot, especially when you get past the first 3 or 4 picks. Rivers was drafted at 10. 1st round draft picks are good for depth and cheap contracts.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:38 pm to htran90
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no asik, no playoffs. 100% sure of that.
Doesn't matter who our coach is, doesn't matter who our center is, If AD and Jrue are healthy, we will never miss the playoffs again. 100% sure of that.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:55 pm to LSUfan97
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This year is crucial for the Pelicans.
If you're talking coaching yes but 2016 is the year as far as roster.
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They need a draft pick, and they really screwed that up. They need to trade for a pick in the late top 10 to try to snag either Willie Caullie Stein, Sam Dekker, Kelly Oubre, or any other SF or C prospect.
The difference between pick 18(where they would've picked) and 7-10 picks later is negilgible. There is A LOT of good prospects at those positions in the late 1st early 2nd where they can buy/acquire without giving up the farm.
Counting on rookies to immediately solve a problem is foolish thinking.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:28 pm to MrPel
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I don't even need to look at statistics because I watched 75 out of the 82 games this year.
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One thing I hated about monty is he showed no emotion, and refused to discipline his players and instill some sort of pressure on them, which led to tyreke hero ball.
Clearly, you are one of the fortunate people who do not require objective evidence to make a point.
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Tyreke needs to come off the bench anyways
Why in the everloving frick do people put an "s" at the end of anyway???
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:47 pm to BallHawk
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can then take WCS at 4 and have him be our backup 5 until he's ready to start...
If we trade into the top 4 picks, we aren't drafting a backup center. There is a unanimous top 4 players in this draft Willie Trill isn't one of them
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:02 pm to VOR
Is that the only thing you found wrong with my post? Good job VOR, good looking out, anywaySSSS.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 6:16 am to T1gerWonder
You're right. We should take Winslow if we get a top 4 pick.
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