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Can Vasquez improve enough?
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:32 pm
In my last post there was a bit of a discussion on weather Vasquez has reach his ceiling or not. IMO he can improve in some aspects, and not in others.
If Vasquez was to be our starting PG next season and his numbers were to be:
15 PPG up from 13.9
9.5 APG up form 9.0
3 TOPG down from 3.2
0.48 FG%, up from 0.43
0.380 3p % up from 0.34
13 shots per game down from 13.3
0.5 hero ball shots per game down from about 2 per game average
And his defense is about the same as last season, would you think this would be enough to offset his defensive shortcomings?
If Vasquez was to be our starting PG next season and his numbers were to be:
15 PPG up from 13.9
9.5 APG up form 9.0
3 TOPG down from 3.2
0.48 FG%, up from 0.43
0.380 3p % up from 0.34
13 shots per game down from 13.3
0.5 hero ball shots per game down from about 2 per game average
And his defense is about the same as last season, would you think this would be enough to offset his defensive shortcomings?
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 7:43 pm
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:36 pm to morsatun
thanks
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:48 pm to morsatun
No, his defense is horrendous. He would be great as a reserve. If we are in a position to draft Burke, I would do it unless Bennett or Porter are still there.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:53 pm to bearhc
I think I may have chosen the wrong title for my post. I am not asking if people think Vasquez can improve or not. I am asking if the improvement I posted (hypothetical) would be enough to offset his defensive liability
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:55 pm to morsatun
been playing competitive ball for six years now. no defense. no playmaking skills. if he improves, great, he's a cheap plug til we find a no-gamble guy.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:58 pm to morsatun
quote:
I think I may have chosen the wrong title for my post. I am not asking if people think Vasquez can improve or not. I am asking if the improvement I posted (hypothetical) would be enough to offset his defensive liability
we could stand a little defensive deficiency from him if the others in the scheme can pick up everyone who blows by gravy!
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:03 pm to bearhc
How does every GV thread turn into a draft Burke thread? 
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:12 pm to quail man
No. He is 26. His numbers only improved because of an increase in minutes. Vasquez will not improve. You can't add speed and athleticism to someone who is currently in their prime physically and doesn't have those things.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:20 pm to WhoDatPelican596
quote:
No. He is 26. His numbers only improved because of an increase in minutes. Vasquez will not improve. You can't add speed and athleticism to someone who is currently in their prime physically and doesn't have those things.
or just keep it real and agree with this.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:24 pm to WhoDatPelican596
quote:
No. He is 26. His numbers only improved because of an increase in minutes. Vasquez will not improve. You can't add speed and athleticism to someone who is currently in their prime physically and doesn't have those things.
He can become more efficient and his role can be more defined to focus on his strengths. Also, I disagree that he can't become a better athlete. I look at someone like Nash, who didn't start until a bit later in his career (25 or so), and it is possible to become a better player and athlete. He just needs the right approach and he'll have to bust his arse to get it done... It can happen..
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:28 pm to brmark70816
Nash=athletic 
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:34 pm to brmark70816
OK, this is going too much into Vasquez been able to become a better athlete or not. I just want to know, if you think that a PG (whoever it is) with Vasquez's defensive limitations, and posting the stats I posted (15 PPG, 9.5 APG, 48% FG%, 38% 3p% 3 TO pg, 13 shots PG and 0.5 hero per game, could be a decent starting PG in the NBA?
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:38 pm to brmark70816
No it can't. Really. Nash was incredible. He was fast, and had incredible court vision. Vasquez on the other hand, is slow, and has poor court vision. Like I've said in the past, assists do not equal good court vision. Especially late in the season, Vasquez was always looking for his shot. He drove and dished. How many fast breaks did Vasquez fail miserably on? How many lobs? How many times did he drive and try his floater only to miss for the tenth time in a game? He is not good now, and he never will be. He is serviceable. He has alot of decent abilities but he is not someone that should be the starting point guard for any team
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:41 pm to morsatun
No. He can't. For the reasons I just said. He's a good backup PG in the league. And that's his ceiling. For gods sake, that's what he was drafted to be. 28th overall I believe. Drafted to be a good backup player if that. He has lived up to that expectation, but he will not move past it
Posted on 5/26/13 at 8:52 pm to WhoDatPelican596
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No. He can't. For the reasons I just said. He's a good backup PG in the league. And that's his ceiling. For gods sake, that's what he was drafted to be. 28th overall I believe. Drafted to be a good backup player if that. He has lived up to that expectation, but he will not move past it
people get so defensive here. I am not trying to push anyone to say or think Vasquez is or should be our starting PG next year. Nor am I implying that I think he can become a better athlete. The point I was trying to make is (I repeat one more time) If the numbers I posted can offset defensive limitations. I am not asking if people think Vasquez can get those numbers. I am asking if people would be OK with him as a starter if he posted those numbers that is all.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 9:19 pm to morsatun
i think your point is taken. and if there is not much of an upgrade available, we make due with him. but we definitely want better defensive play from the pos. raising his o doesnt do much if his opponents is the same+defense. thats just me.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 9:33 pm to morsatun
I'm not defensive, and I'm sorry if I'm conveying any harsh sounding emotion in my comments. I'm honestly just sharing my opinion. And its one I feel quite strongly about because if the position is not upgraded, I think that will be a huge roadblock to our rebuild
Posted on 5/26/13 at 9:35 pm to WhoDatPelican596
quote:
I'm not defensive, and I'm sorry if I'm conveying any harsh sounding emotion in my comments. I'm honestly just sharing my opinion. And its one I feel quite strongly about because if the position is not upgraded, I think that will be a huge roadblock to our rebuild
Fare enough
Posted on 5/27/13 at 8:50 am to WhoDatPelican596
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No it can't. Really. Nash was incredible. He was fast, and had incredible court vision.
Here is Nash's wiki page (LINK ). Please go look at his first 4 seasons, then come back and tell me how incredible of a player he was then. I can post a link to his college scouting report that detailed his weaknesses as average foot speed and man to man defense.
My point being is he got better. He became a better athlete, refined his game and found his niche. He really didn't start becoming a star until he was around 28. So yes, it is possible for Vasquez to keep getting better. If other guys can do it, so can he..
Posted on 5/27/13 at 10:57 am to brmark70816
Name one other guy. Vasquez is not Steve Nash. Plain and simple
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