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Blowing it all up: How would you want to approach it?

Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:18 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:18 am
I realize this thread is incredibly premature. I'm not giving up on the season in any way. We have a long time to go.

However...if things snowballed, how would you want to approach a "blow up" scenario?

Please be realistic. You have to understand there are money factors involved, and that doesn't only go to players...Dell and Gentry have contracts that would likely need to be bought out, and Benson might not be able to fork over that kind of dough, and hire a new GM/Coach.

Regardless, what approach and philosophy would you like to see, assuming this team is extremely far out of the playoff picture around the all-star break.

My only stipulation is that trading AD is not an option, for the trolls out there.
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3068 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:26 am to
Send everything you have to Phoenix (sans AD) for the Lakers first rounder that they own. Would probably take a 3 or 4 team trade to get the salaries to work.
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
20685 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:27 am to
Gentry and Jimmer to OKC for Monty and KD

ETA: Or just Gentry for Monty straight up
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 10:29 am
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:42 am to
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Or just Gentry for Monty straight up


Coming into the season, I would've never thought this would be an upgrade for the team Even though Monty had his faults, so far he proved that he was able to do more with less than Gentry.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:05 am
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:46 am to
I think the first thing we have to do is move on from Alvin asap.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:47 am to
-Keep Jrue/Tyreke/QPon/Asik


-Find some way to move Ryno and or EG,Expiring are worth less these days but they're productive. It'd likely have to be a 3 team deal.

Need to get more athletic on the wings so that should be the target. Maybe dell can find another QPon type situation(guy that needs a fresh start and fairly young but younger than QP). If a late 1st/Early 2nd can also be gotten(Boston has 23 and 32 for instance) that'd help.

Not sure about the draft but guys like Brandon Ingram/Jaylen Brown/Jamal Murray and others are interesting...BPA?

Harrison Barnes would be awesome but who knows how that'd work out.





Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16433 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:47 am to
Whatever you do, you have to do it without pissing off AD too much
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:47 am to
quote:

I think the first thing we have to do is move on from Alvin asap.


This is ridiculous thinking right now

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:50 am to
I'd be kind of interested to see what Ryno or EG could get on the market.

Expirings are seriously devalued, and with the cap going way up, I have to think they are devalued even more.

WOuld you want to swing one of those guys for, say, Markieff Morris? Markieff has been a malcontent in Phoenix, and yes he plays the same position as AD, but I feel like those two could work together.

I don't know.

I'm kind of surprised no one has advocated a complete rebuild, jettisoning Reke, Jrue, EG, Ryno, Asik, etc etc.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:56 am to
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I think the first thing we have to do is move on from Demps asap.


Fixed
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:58 am to
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Expirings are seriously devalued, and with the cap going way up, I have to think they are devalued even more.


I don't know. I could see some teams moving to create max space to bring in multiple max guys. Lakers may be in that pot.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:02 am to
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I'm kind of surprised no one has advocated a complete rebuild, jettisoning Reke, Jrue, EG, Ryno, Asik, etc etc.


That's nearly impossible to do in one deadline/offseason

Yeah EG/Ryno are likely gone

As for Tyreke/Jrue/Asik and 2 of the 3 are actually on bargains so I'd keep them for now.



This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:04 am
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:03 am to
quote:

if things snowballed, how would you want to approach a "blow up" scenario?


Ziller actually wrote about this yesterday

Pelicans are on life support, but there is hope

I still think Gentry will be fine. I think Erman will be fine. If/When guys come back healthy, I think the team will be good. I'm not sold on Demps, but maybe divide some of his power with another hire; at least take away training staff hiring from him. It's been a disaster the last few years. Something has to change there.

That said, I don't think you should have to account for catastrophic injuries when building a team. So I see their problems as this: no true 2nd guy to go with Davis, determining where you will use Davis in crunch time, and an utter lack of 2 way perimeter guys.

One problem with blowing it up is that none of their players, save Davis, have much, if any, value around the league. It only takes one a-hole to bite, but I just don't see any of the core 6 guys enticing much from other teams. Plus, almost every team in the league will have max space next summer. No one needs expirings.

Another problem is Davis. He just signed a max. He just tasted the playoffs. He is an MVP caliber player now and for the next decade. The time to blow it up and build through the draft was 3 years ago; it is most certainly not now. He is a guy that can get you to 40+ wins with just a little bit of help

The Pels do have all of their future 1sts. If they continue to be awful, like mid lottery awful, I don't think they can afford to trade the pick unless they can get an established star in the league, i.e. someone better than Holiday. If they climb back to respectability and even the playoff hunt, I think it's worth seeing what a first with an expiring might get them in the trade market before the deadline. Maybe they can snag someone who fits better in the frontcourt or on the perimeter.

Regardless, I do think they have to start holding onto some picks (including non lotto 1sts and 2nds) for young guys to (hopefully) develop/fill out the rotation. Instead of guys like Roberts and Ajinca, they need some guys who have potential to grow into high leverage roles. There will be busts, but I'd rather take a chance on a 2nd rounder than a guy like Babbitt.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:05 am
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:09 am to
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no true 2nd guy to go with Davis


My problem with this thinking is that some think these guys grow on trees and it's easy to get one. Yes it'd be great to get a PG13 or DMC or hell even Melo but it's not that simple.

I see shite like get AD a sidekick with no viable solution.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40926 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:20 am to
KD coming next year
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61480 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:36 am to
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The time to blow it up and build through the draft was 3 years ago;


Agreed. I really think what we do with Gordon/Ryno is more important than whether we make the playoffs this season. If you resign them both in an escalated cap environment, you'll likely overpay making them negative trade assets. If you let them walk to overpay for Batum, you're in a similar negative value situation and have to really hope Batum's fit makes everyone else better. Going after a 2nd tier star like Melo seems like the way forward that involves the least amount of wishful thinking. But it also involves the most risk because the future assets you'd have to give up mean if you target the wrong guy, AD might be as good as gone. I don't know if Melo has any more trade value than the other 2 options I listed if he doesn't take the Pels to the next level, but you almost have to take a swing on that or a similar move.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:38 am
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8240 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:04 pm to
I'd let EG and Ryno walk, keep the pick and use whatever cap space I have on a young asset. Wing would be ideal, but if too costly I'd be fine with another guard. Dell is great at finding those 7-9 players via trades/signings. Whatever he does I'd like to see him keep us flexible for 2017. Also, if Holiday is healthy this year we should trade him and go get another PG. I am done with injury prone players and PGs grow on trees.

Hell no to Melo.

Keep Gentry.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61480 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:24 pm to
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I'd let EG and Ryno walk, keep the pick and use whatever cap space I have on a young asset.


FA next year is going to be nuts. Most teams will have cap space, many will have Max level cap space. Maybe you can get someone like Harrison Barnes if you max him out, but only because GS will be into serious tax territory. Maybe they dump Iggy to keep Barnes like they dumped Lee to keep Draymond.

Here are the FAs for the next year LINK I don't see anyone that stands out as the guy that takes the team to the next level considering it takes letting Ryno and Gordon walk to get the cap space to sign them.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8240 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:43 pm to
I have no problem with going with second/third tier guys and keeping our powder dry for 2017.

Also, I would be fine with trading Holiday and then going after Conley, especially if Conley looks like he wants out of Memphis.

Honestly, though, the cleanest/easiest path is probably packaging our pick with EG and/or Ryno, but that isn't really "blowing it up" per the OP's title.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61480 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:05 pm to
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especially if Conley looks like he wants out of Memphis


Memphis is interesting. Do they blow it up if they look like they're stuck on the playoff bubble track, or is making the playoffs enough for them?

quote:

Honestly, though, the cleanest/easiest path is probably packaging our pick with EG and/or Ryno, but that isn't really "blowing it up" per the OP's title.


Yeah, but blowing it up is such an open ended question with so many iffy propositions built in. Is Jrue healthy enough to be a core piece or a trade asset? Is there a trade market for giving away Asik like the Spurs gave away Splitter? If Jrue is ok and you can give Asik away, it wouldn't be crazy to get the roster down to AD/Jrue/Reke. That would give you about $50 million in cap space with 3 starters in place. Spend $40 million on 2 max salaries (probably not max players though, more like Batum and Horford), then have $10 million for the bench, maybe you keep QPon/Dante/Ajinca then you have the $2.7 room exception for a backup PG

Holiday/Scrub
Tyreke/QPon
Batum/2016 pick
AD/Cunningham
Horford/Ajinca

Pick your own $20 million SF and C, but that all hinges on Jrue being healthy and being able to dump Asik for free. I still can't believe they bid against themselves and gave him and escalating 5 year deal
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