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re: A Lesson in Value
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:51 pm to Tigerbiscuits
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:51 pm to Tigerbiscuits
Nope and look at the roster. Terrible players getting big $$ and then Asik.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:15 pm to Tigerbiscuits
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Bucks - Sure, if you consider delly their starting PG they're worse. But Giannis handles the ball much more.
Sooooo Jrue wins.
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76ers - I'd take Simmons over Jrue today. It's certainly a debate.
Lol dude has played one NBA game and he can't shoot at all! Sure he's got talent for days but you cannot sit there and say you'd rather him over Jrue. Jrue is a basketball player, Simmons right now is an athlete.
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Nets - Lin is injured but the combo of Lin and DLo is >>>>Jrue. Hell, DLo is averaging Jrue numbers and he's 3 years in to the league.
Sure Russell is legit. And he is going to be good, but right now. Jrue is a better defender, better shooter, better passer, and better rebounder. Don't get caught up in Russell's one great game he just had. Jrue is better in every single way.
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Jazz - Rubio = Holiday depending on what you need.
Rubio is a better passer. That's it. He's averaged 10 points a game his entire career and in his best year, he score 11 PPG. Ricky also shoots a career 37.5% from the field! Only one season did he shoot over 40%.
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Clippers - sure, you got me there..but for what we're asking Jrue to do..Lou Williams is much better.
So you use your same Bucks logic. As per your argument, Jrue is a better PG than the Clippers have. Point Jrue
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Lakers - Lonzo is better than Jrue right now.
Stop watching so much ESPN. This is an embarrassing statement
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Nuggets - Not as high profile but both guards playing similar ball to Jrue.
Let me clarify for you. Jrue is better than both Emmanuel Mudiay and Jamal Murray. They are talented players but looked really good because of the offense put in by the guy now coaching Jrue.
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Timberwolves - Teague >>>> Jrue.
Their offensive number are virtually identical and these two have always been compared. The difference? Jrue plays much much better defense and is 2 years younger. Point Jrue
You didnt say anything about the Magic, Pacers, Pistons & Hawks so I assume you see Jrue is better. And I left out the Mavs, Bulls, and Knicks.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:15 pm to TigerinATL
Demps has repeated made confounding moves. Gentry is a dud as a coach. Trading all those draft picks away for the young vets. Signing Asik and Ajinca to somewhat large contracts just for them to be unable to find playing time. Overpaying for Moore, Hill, and now Holiday. What really gets on my nerves is how he simply let Casspi, Ennis, and
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:46 pm to ShamelessPel
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Again I ask, what about calling up Terrence Jones who's in China?
There's got to be more to the lack of interest in TJ.
When a guy can put a team on his back and carry them to a win (as he did for the Pels last year), multiple teams could benefit from a guy like that on their roster.
He must have pissed somebody important off. The fact that he's playing in China makes no sense.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:21 pm to DeionDeion
I won’t dissect your entire rebuttal but I stand my point that at least a handful of those guys are debatable vs Jrue. If you felt inclined to lean jrue on all of them, that still leaves 14 starting point guards better than Jrue. My original point. 14 definitely better, 10 debatebable, and 5 he's better than.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:44 pm to Tigerbiscuits
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14 definitely better, 10 debatebable, and 5 he's better than.
see and I completely disagree. I say Jrue is definitely above 15, 4 are debatable, and there are 10 PGs clearly ahead of him. His defense is just really good.
I know we are splitting hairs here but I just think board is so damn reactionary. Yea he had an awful game. Yes last season wasn't his best but he still put up respectable numbers. No one thought he deserved that contract but thats what it took to retain a good player. AD and Cousins obviously thought so enough to threaten him so that he resigns.
I'm not saying he's an All-Star but he's a solid player in a back court that he gets almost no help from.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 6:42 am to DeionDeion
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I say Jrue is definitely above 15, 4 are debatable, and there are 10 PGs clearly ahead of him
this is sort of a weird discussion. who cares about his ranking as a PG?
the Pels dont want him as lead ball handler and moved him to SG. many, many fans spent the off-season talking about how much better he'll be off ball (with little reason to believe so). he's basically supposed to be a souped up version of Beverly. so, for $126M he may be the best of the PGs you dont want running your offense- congrats?
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:50 am to corndeaux
I agree, and the discussion is contained within the situation at hand. He is the starting PG for now. But he’s so bad at it that they had to convince themselves he’d be better without the ball. A majority of the guys Deion is arguing are better would come take jrues job today. Hell, Tim Frazier was opted to play the point over jrue at points last season. And his value as a shooting guard is questionable to me because he’s so passive. He should be putting up 15-17 shots a game with this shite show of a lineup outside he, AD, and Boogie. Hopefully he knows that and starts living up to that player we all know he can be, I just haven’t seen it.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 8:05 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:04 am to corndeaux
I "expect" 18/5 type of numbers while being good on defense. The expect is in quotes because I don't think Holiday does that, but if he were to live up to the contract he'd need to put up numbers in that ball park. As much as the team has been preaching he needs to be aggressive, he sure as hell looks like someone that doesn't have the green light. I think the only hope is what Jake Madison had been talking about in the offseason of Rondo maybe unlocking Jrue. In that one preseason game he did get Jrue some easy points.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 8:05 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:28 am to TigerinATL
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I "expect" 18/5 type of numbers while being good on defense.
I don't think that's unreasonable for a $25M/yr SG.
If he could do that, we will win 45+ games easily.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:34 am to TeddyPadillac
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I don't think that's unreasonable for a $25M/yr SG.
Klay puts up 22/2. When you convert assists to points it'd be roughly equivalent production.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 11:02 am to TigerinATL
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I "expect" 18/5 type of numbers while being good on defense
but that's the entire problem- he's only been able to put up that tyoe of ppg when he's been given the ball to dominate and the green light v 2nd units in 15/16.
thats why the Klay comp is so absurd to me. Klay can pop off for 60 with about 90 seconds of total touch time. last year he averaged a minute and half of total TOP per game. obviously a different system, but Holiday was at 5.5 minutes per game. we can go back as far as the data will allow and see he is a guy who is used to holding the ball.
starting him at sg in an off ball role is alien to his entire existence as a player. doesnt mean he can't do it, but it's not as easy as "he hit some shots over a 10 game stretch in March, so it's cool"
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