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re: Why is there no "great" music anymore?
Posted on 5/4/12 at 8:40 am to el Gaucho
Posted on 5/4/12 at 8:40 am to el Gaucho
I have found only a handful of newer bands that I appreciate.
I like some of Arcade Fire, but do not get the worship that they receive like they're Pink Floyd or something. I like some of their songs...but some just irk me.
Modest Mouse....errr...I tried to get them, but I don't care for them. Don't know why.
I have tried to hear a lot of new stuff, but a lot of it is that "sing like a little girl and then scream through the chorus", with the same overly cooked, trite "heavy" guitar sound. I'm talking about bands that re in the mold of Good Charlotte. I'm not into listening to music about depression and hate and breakups. The days of the 90's sound of rock, where there were actual creative and heavy, mind-blowing riffs (remember the first time you heard Man in the Box by AIC?), have been transformed into hashed up engineer-flooded noise.
Also, the bands who are mimicing the older "shoegaze" outfits like My Bloody Valentine, Ride, Swerevedriver, and Hum (among many more) have turned it into garbage.
Maybe I am my father...maybe I am basically saying "There hasn't been any good music since the 60's." I, however, love music from the 60's through the early part of the 2000's. I guess the last "modern" band that I discovered and dug was in late '97 when I saw Sevendust in concert when they opened up for Coal Chamber. By 2001, I was over them, too.
I would love to discover a new band that I could really dig. Wolf and Cub is one that I am currently experimenting with.
I like some of Arcade Fire, but do not get the worship that they receive like they're Pink Floyd or something. I like some of their songs...but some just irk me.
Modest Mouse....errr...I tried to get them, but I don't care for them. Don't know why.
I have tried to hear a lot of new stuff, but a lot of it is that "sing like a little girl and then scream through the chorus", with the same overly cooked, trite "heavy" guitar sound. I'm talking about bands that re in the mold of Good Charlotte. I'm not into listening to music about depression and hate and breakups. The days of the 90's sound of rock, where there were actual creative and heavy, mind-blowing riffs (remember the first time you heard Man in the Box by AIC?), have been transformed into hashed up engineer-flooded noise.
Also, the bands who are mimicing the older "shoegaze" outfits like My Bloody Valentine, Ride, Swerevedriver, and Hum (among many more) have turned it into garbage.
Maybe I am my father...maybe I am basically saying "There hasn't been any good music since the 60's." I, however, love music from the 60's through the early part of the 2000's. I guess the last "modern" band that I discovered and dug was in late '97 when I saw Sevendust in concert when they opened up for Coal Chamber. By 2001, I was over them, too.
I would love to discover a new band that I could really dig. Wolf and Cub is one that I am currently experimenting with.
This post was edited on 5/4/12 at 8:47 am
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Posted on 5/4/12 at 8:44 am to CottonWasKing
Radiohead
Arcade Fire
Modest Mouse
Built to Spill
Just to name a few bands that stand out to me these days. They all have a decent or large catalog of great music. I love the Beatles but these bands have progressed, which is good for music.
Arcade Fire
Modest Mouse
Built to Spill
Just to name a few bands that stand out to me these days. They all have a decent or large catalog of great music. I love the Beatles but these bands have progressed, which is good for music.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:03 am to CottonWasKing
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No one here is talking about radio music
Why not. Doesn't the radio play the most POPULAR music. Someone somewhere be it DJ's, producers, (God forbid fans) is actually pushing for everything on the radio. The music that only reaches the smaller audiences will never be considered Great by the majority of listeners. No matter what, it is only opinion.
This post was edited on 5/4/12 at 9:04 am
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:10 am to upgrade
Because the question was why isn't great music being made not played. There is plenty of great music just not on the radio
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:14 am to CottonWasKing
But the music on the radio has to be great to someone. Just because you and I don't like it, doesn't mean our opinions are the last word.
At one time the music I like was popular.
At one time the music I like was popular.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:22 am to upgrade
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But the music on the radio has to be great to someone. Just because you and I don't like it, doesn't mean our opinions are the last word.
At one time the music I like was popular.
Which is why this thread is pointless. "Great" is subjective and can't be argued. Now, if the OP wanted some suggestions on new bands that he might like, based on what he already likes, I'm sure some of us could help him out.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:29 am to SUB
Like someone else posted earlier, I wonder if every genereation will have the same thoughts:
The music my dad likes is good, the stuff from my generation is the best, but that crap they listen to now just sucks.
The music my dad likes is good, the stuff from my generation is the best, but that crap they listen to now just sucks.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:32 am to I Love Bama
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I promise you nobody who grew up listing to 80's music thinks 90's is greater.
False, I grew up in the 80's and early 90's rock is my personal favorite time in rock.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:49 am to H-Town Tiger
Back to the original argument about putting bands together from scratch and practicing:
There is book called Outliners or Outliers, can t remember, but anyway has a whole chapter on The Beatles about why they were so succesful. Basicaly right place right time. In their early days they were booked by a German strip club owner to be the house band. They played 4 shows a night 3 PM to 4 AM, 6 days a week. They accumulated over 10,000 hours of playing together as a band in this venue. The author goes on to show the revelance of the 10,000 hours applied to a skill as a "master" of that that skill. They have quotes from the band memeber stating that if it were not for this particular gig, they would not have become the band they became.
Also, the bands that are considered "great" - Beatles, Stones, Zepp, Etc. all have 1 thing in common. They took unknown black blues musicans music and put it rock and roll at some point early in their career. Then you could do that and not be consider ripping someone off due to the fact that no one knew these songs. Do you you think white teens knew that "Whole Lotta Love' was a Muddy Waters song? No. They thought it was a LZ song that was bad arse. It is impossible to do that today with the mass exposure to music.
Not saying that these bands were not talented and great, I love all 3 three, but they did not have obstacles that alot of todays bands have. The original poster's arguement is that it should be easier for bands today to achieve "greatness" is flawed. It was easier then due to the following:
-Rock n roll was new, these artisit could expermient with new sounds and sound very original
-No oversaturation of music due to the Internet
-Change in culture of youth due to Vietnam war, hippies, and drugs
-Ability to borrow/steal other musicans work and have it not be known.
-No radio station genre's to get pigeon holed into where their music was not heard by only a select few.
There is book called Outliners or Outliers, can t remember, but anyway has a whole chapter on The Beatles about why they were so succesful. Basicaly right place right time. In their early days they were booked by a German strip club owner to be the house band. They played 4 shows a night 3 PM to 4 AM, 6 days a week. They accumulated over 10,000 hours of playing together as a band in this venue. The author goes on to show the revelance of the 10,000 hours applied to a skill as a "master" of that that skill. They have quotes from the band memeber stating that if it were not for this particular gig, they would not have become the band they became.
Also, the bands that are considered "great" - Beatles, Stones, Zepp, Etc. all have 1 thing in common. They took unknown black blues musicans music and put it rock and roll at some point early in their career. Then you could do that and not be consider ripping someone off due to the fact that no one knew these songs. Do you you think white teens knew that "Whole Lotta Love' was a Muddy Waters song? No. They thought it was a LZ song that was bad arse. It is impossible to do that today with the mass exposure to music.
Not saying that these bands were not talented and great, I love all 3 three, but they did not have obstacles that alot of todays bands have. The original poster's arguement is that it should be easier for bands today to achieve "greatness" is flawed. It was easier then due to the following:
-Rock n roll was new, these artisit could expermient with new sounds and sound very original
-No oversaturation of music due to the Internet
-Change in culture of youth due to Vietnam war, hippies, and drugs
-Ability to borrow/steal other musicans work and have it not be known.
-No radio station genre's to get pigeon holed into where their music was not heard by only a select few.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 9:55 am to H-Town Tiger
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I promise you nobody who grew up listing to 80's music thinks 90's is greater.
False, I grew up in the 80's and early 90's rock is my personal favorite time in rock.
My kindergarden through 12th grade years pretty much spanned the "video music era" from 1980 to early 1993 so I feel like I know 80's and 90's music well. Popular music, outside of the greatest musical era of all time imho (1963-1975), was as good as it ever was throughout the 80s. The 90s were pretty good too (at least the first half of the 90s) but not as consistently good as the 80s.
Popular music imho is the truest way to judge the quality of a musical era. Music has alway had good non mainstream bands so the fact that you can find them is nothing to get excited about. The fact that decent music has to be sifted out of the huge mountain of musical crap that is modern music tells you just how bad music has been the last 10 years.
P.S. Widspread Panic and Phish are great great bands but it's a little silly to claim them as modern bands. Both bands peaked in the 90s and have practically zero in common with modern popular music.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 10:32 am to Rex
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Motown and Tamla and such used to make me feel connected to my black brethren
Posted on 5/4/12 at 10:36 am to LSUMon
I think this subject has more to do with writing music than anything else, but it's all opinion no matter how you look at it.
The Beatles practicing for 10000 hours does not mean they played the greatest music. I'm not saying they didn't play good music, but thats not what made it. It was the sound they chose for that time. What if the Beatles with all of that practice, had decided they wanted to play jazz, or country, or anything else. Would they still be considered as great as they were?
Great talent does not equal the greatest music.
There are many bands today that are very talented. But they choose to play a style, or type of music that I just do not care to listen to one bit.
Christina Aguilera has an amazing voice, but I can not stand her type of music she sings. That is just my opinion that I am entitled to, but obviously, someone likes her music.
The Beatles practicing for 10000 hours does not mean they played the greatest music. I'm not saying they didn't play good music, but thats not what made it. It was the sound they chose for that time. What if the Beatles with all of that practice, had decided they wanted to play jazz, or country, or anything else. Would they still be considered as great as they were?
Great talent does not equal the greatest music.
There are many bands today that are very talented. But they choose to play a style, or type of music that I just do not care to listen to one bit.
Christina Aguilera has an amazing voice, but I can not stand her type of music she sings. That is just my opinion that I am entitled to, but obviously, someone likes her music.
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