re: What's the best post-punk era album?

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And the post punk sound.

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Which I am arguing is actually the punk rock sound. Talking Heads, Blondie, Television, et al were all tentpole bands of the CBGB scene from 1976. The term "punk rock" was coined to describe THAT scene. So, Talking Heads very well can't be post something when they were part of the first wave. Punk had a far more diverse and interesting definition, only to get smoothed out to mean "the Ramones" over time.

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So when my brother and I were listening to the crazy punk music and calling it punk in 1976,77 we were listening with modern 80s ears.....Modern 80s Ears was my punk band name in 1978......

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Of course you were listening to punk. That's my point. The definition was far broader, and encompassed Talking Heads and Television ,given they were the bands that started it. I didn't say punk rock didn't exist, I even explicitly referenced Year Zero (1977). Clearly punk rock existed then, but it wasn't post-punk yet because we had just barely started punk, and culture didn't move as fast back then.

A simple timeline:

1975: Talking Heads founded
1975-77: CBGB's scene reaches its heyday, along with Max's KC.
1976: Punk magazine founded, "punk rock" term coined to describe the CBGB scene.
1977: Talking Heads' first album
1977: Year Zero, the unofficial re-set start year of punk

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Don't know where you read this but its wrong.

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It's observation. Look how we've purged all of the interesting and weird acts out of the definition of punk and made it something else. Those bands were punk, and covered by the bible of punk at the time (Punk! magazine), but we started sanding at the definition and purging anyone from the genre who didn't sound like the Ramones (or from the UK, like the Clash or Sex Pistols).

By the time the initial wave of bands had mostly flamed out, the next generation of punk rock got up and running which was younger and less tied to the art scene (I mean, John Cale was both in the Velvets and Patti Smith Group). And that's where American hardcore comes from, basically around 1980 or 1981. You've got your Black Flags, Minor Threats, and the like, which would eventually become the foundation of what we now think of as punk, while the artier more musical first wave punk bands from the NYC scene instead morphed into post-punk.

Talking Heads aren't considered a punk band anymore because the definition of what is punk changed.

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The term "punk rock" was coined to describe THAT scene.

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The term "Punk" or "Punk Rock" was being used way before the CBGBs scene came along. When it was used to describe CBGBs, it was referring to the scene, not the sound coming from the bands there. But in the early to mid 70s the idea of 3 chords loud and fast as the punk sound was also a recognized idea.

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Camper Van Beethoven

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They don't get enough respect for what they did. Several great albums I still listen to.

Telephone Free Landslide Victory
II & III
Camper Van Beethoven
Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart
Key Lime Pie

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Hell, during that late 70s, early 80s period, the Ramones were barely a punk band. They tried their hands at both pop and then metal.

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Pleasant Dreams is such a great album.

Big Audio Dynamite - This Is Big Audio Dynamite. I played this tape and Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes so much that the tapes dragged through the songs because they didn't roll well anymore in the player. (If that makes sense)