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re: Mark Tremonti should be Metallica's new front man
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:12 pm to PiscesTiger
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:12 pm to PiscesTiger
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become another Foreigner and capitalize on the name with zero members
To be fair, this is not uncommon in metal. Tony Iommi was putting out albums under the Black Sabbath name into the 90s, Maiden and Priest have each had 3 or 4 singers and a few other lineup changes. For some reason people like to single out Metallica for having a few different bass players though.
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I want to see Dave play with them once.
They did big jam sessions at the big four shows with people from all the bands. Dave also played with them at the 30th anniversary shows a few years back.
Am I Evil Mustaine and a bunch of other guys on this one
Phantom Lord/Jump in the Fire with Mustaine
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:17 pm to Brosef Stalin
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o be fair, this is not uncommon in metal
You're right, but Metallica just doesn't need to go out that way. I would want the same for AC/DC. Some bands are just not the same without one piece -- let alone all of them. I could not imagine Metallica, even when they are all 70, sitting backstage and watching 4 young dudes do their show.
Priest...Maiden...Sabbath...I get. The drummers/lead guys are just too old now. James isn't there yet.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:28 pm to FourThreeForty
Dude, you've gone full retard. Tremonti is a little bitch and Trujillo is a monster.
Metallica is built on Hetfield's right hand. Nobody's going to replace that.
Metallica is built on Hetfield's right hand. Nobody's going to replace that.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:05 pm to RabidTiger
This whole thread was actually a big joke 
the only thing I was remotely serious about was canning Trujillo. Dude can't back up vocal worth shite.
But saying James is the reason for the band's success is absolutely preposterous in and of itself. Cliff was the centerpiece of that band and the absolute most talented member until his death. It only took one album after IJFA to start falling off the thrash train.
I will admit though, some parts of Death Magnetic were pretty fire though.
the only thing I was remotely serious about was canning Trujillo. Dude can't back up vocal worth shite. But saying James is the reason for the band's success is absolutely preposterous in and of itself. Cliff was the centerpiece of that band and the absolute most talented member until his death. It only took one album after IJFA to start falling off the thrash train.
I will admit though, some parts of Death Magnetic were pretty fire though.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:30 pm to FourThreeForty
James and Lars are 100% the reason for their success whether you want to believe it or not. James is maybe the best song writer in metal history.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 12:19 am to FourThreeForty
This thread is a poor troll but people do realize that Metallica is Metallica because of their diversity right? Nothing is more irritating than listening to the "everything after the first 4 suck because it's not thrash!!!" crowd. Lars has even said they quickly realized that a bunch of nerds wanted them to write Master of Puppets over and over again for 30 years and they didn't want to be boxed in. Metallica consists of James Hetfield plus guests, simple as that. All of those songwriting credits for Lars are for arrangements, and while Kirk has written some legendary solos he's rarely contributed to the real songwriting. He came up with the Sandman riff but even that had to be molded. Trujillo will always be the sweepstakes dude to me and he still doesn't fit. Hetfield is underappreciated because he isn't a flaming a-hole that has overdosed 12 times and kept his name in the news. He is one of the most charismatic frontmen ever in rock and really outside of Guitar World type circles he doesn't get the credit he deserves.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:34 am to EyeTwentyNole
It's not really even that. The first 4 were just very musically diverse. Unique chord progressions and riffs, great choruses and verses etc. Everything else is just mediocre, bland rock with uninspired riffs. They have nothing to write about because they're at a point in their lives the worst thing that has probably happened to any of them is they were terrible at a concert.
The reason they're still around is because that legendary run of 5 albums from KEA to Black took them to such a high status of popularity that they are essentially living off of it. You can say what you want, but from Load and forward until maybe Death Magnetic, they declined music wise HARD. S&M was a nice holdover though. I listen to that album a lot.
Lars also benefitted from having great musicians around him in the original run as well that they are most well known for. Dude does nothing but abuse the snare drum 90% of the time.
The reason they're still around is because that legendary run of 5 albums from KEA to Black took them to such a high status of popularity that they are essentially living off of it. You can say what you want, but from Load and forward until maybe Death Magnetic, they declined music wise HARD. S&M was a nice holdover though. I listen to that album a lot.
Lars also benefitted from having great musicians around him in the original run as well that they are most well known for. Dude does nothing but abuse the snare drum 90% of the time.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:05 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:That's BS re Iron Maiden. They still bring it better than anyone. shite, Bruce STILL outpaces a lot of the younger singers. Nicko might be 64, but he's still a monster back there too. And don't you dare say something bad about Steve Harris.
Priest...Maiden...Sabbath...I get. The drummers/lead guys are just too old now.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:06 pm to FourThreeForty
quote:wut
But saying James is the reason for the band's success is absolutely preposterous in and of itself.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:07 pm to FourThreeForty
quote:This is a silly statement. You find the instrumental on Death Magnetic to be "bland and uninspired"? I near cried the first time I heard it.
Everything else is just mediocre, bland rock with uninspired riffs.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
The band doesn't even make it past the 80s without Cliff.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:15 pm to FourThreeForty
quote:I'm not saying the parts didn't add up to an even bigger whole, but James Hetfield is Metallica. I would rate Dave Mustaine as more relevant in getting Metallica "past the 80's" than Cliff. That's mostly because he and Hetfield essentially invented a new genre.
The band doesn't even make it past the 80s without Cliff.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:29 pm to FourThreeForty
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But saying James is the reason for the band's success is absolutely preposterous in and of itself.
It's not preposterous when it's absolutely true. Was Cliff a great bassist? Sure - maybe one of the best ever. Ditto for Dave and 6-string. Both of those guys were top tier talent for the genre they helped forge.
But Hetfield's songwriting and vision are the cornerstones of Metallica - and that would be true if he only sang and did not play as much guitar as he has. It's even more true when you consider his guitar work.
Just as there is no Led Zeppelin without Page and Plant (and I rank them #3 and #4 on a pure talent basis for the members of that band) there is no Metallica without James Hetfield - I'm not sure how this even became a question.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:31 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm not sure how this even became a question.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:40 pm to FourThreeForty
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Dude does nothing but abuse the snare drum 90% of the time.
Lars is terrible, but that's relative. He's a terrible timekeeper who is not as entertaining as Keith Moon was (also another terrible timekeeper). Is Lars better than a lot of working drummers? Yes.
Is Lars about 2 or 3 tiers lower than the rest of the talent that went through the band over the years? Absolutely.
It's actually the opposite of what you say here:
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Lars also benefitted from having great musicians around him in the original run as well that they are most well known for.
If Lars was in a band with comparable talent to him, he'd sound fine - we would just never have heard of him.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:51 pm to FourThreeForty
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Mark Tremonti has the perfect voice for it and is about a 10x better guitarist
No he's not. Hetfield is an absolute monster rhythm player.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:55 pm to FourThreeForty
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It only took one album after IJFA to start falling off the thrash train.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Metallica is and always has been diverse. They transitioned out of thrash and wrote a killer heavy arse record in the Black Album. Say what you want about selling out, but the record is fantastic and if anyone else other than Metallica would have written it, it would be deemed in the GOAT circle of heavy music. IMO, it still is.
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But saying James is the reason for the band's success is absolutely preposterous
No it's not. Metallica has been, is, and always will be James' baby. It came from his mind. He writes everything. The riffs, lyrics, song structures, melodies, everything.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
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That's BS re Iron Maiden. They still bring it better than anyone. shite, Bruce STILL outpaces a lot of the younger singers. Nicko might be 64, but he's still a monster back there too. And don't you dare say something bad about Steve Harris.
Completely agree. Maiden, and all the members, are some bad motherfrickers.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:13 pm to dnm3305
quote:This is 5 or 6 years old now, but watch this Coming Home (live). That's an absolutely killer track from their 14th album (2010). They're fricking KILLING that 50K strong crowd. And Bruce sounds incredible. tl;dr they're still writing good shite and murdering out on the road
Maiden, and all the members, are some bad motherfrickers.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:18 pm to dnm3305
quote:I don't know which genre "The God That Failed" is...all I know is it's great and only Hetfield could have written it.
They transitioned out of thrash and wrote a killer heavy arse record in the Black Album. Say what you want about selling out, but the record is fantastic and if anyone else other than Metallica would have written it, it would be deemed in the GOAT circle of heavy music. IMO, it still is.
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