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re: Lets talk Van Halen .........
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:45 am to RichJ
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:45 am to RichJ
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Unchained. Best VH song, period...
"C'mon Dave, gimme a break....one break comin' up"
Can support this song as well as Ain't Talkin' Bout Love. At least these are the quintessential VH songs with DLR on lead vocals.
I liked VH with DLR or Hagar. The band was just fresh when they came in the scene with DLR and his madman lead singer antics and showmanship. Also, he paired well on the vocals with Michael Anthony and Eddie VH.
With Hagar they were clearly more polished, more poppy and less edgy. They made some good records with Sammy on lead vocals, though.
I just have never thought you had to like only one or the other. My preference is for the DLR material, but I am not totally dismissive of Sammy's work with the band.
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 8:02 am to weptiger
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My preference is for the DLR material, but I am not totally dismissive of Sammy's work with the band.
same
Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:18 am to Potchafa
I was actually thinking about this yesterday...
I'm in the minority but I'm going Sammy > Roth
I like Sammy's vocals
I'm in the minority but I'm going Sammy > Roth
I like Sammy's vocals
Posted on 1/31/17 at 3:48 pm to weptiger
I don't get how people say Van Hagar was more poppy. Dave era had some of the poppiest stuff, imo. Dance the Night Away, Dancin in the Street, Pretty Woman, Jamie's Cryin.
Not saying those suck, just saying they had some pretty poppy stuff back then too.
Not saying those suck, just saying they had some pretty poppy stuff back then too.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 4:02 pm to ConfusedHawgInMO
Balance 
I thought we were talking best?
I thought we were talking best?Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:19 pm to ConfusedHawgInMO
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I don't get how people say Van Hagar was more poppy
Granted. I just think some of the Van Hagar stuff was more slickly produced in a poppy vein. Again, not bad records, just not as hard as the hardest stuff with DLR. A few songs that support the viewpoint:
- Why Can't This Be Love
- Dreams
- When It's Love
- Cant Stop Lovin' You
Collectively, not bad tunes, but geared for radio at the time (not a bad thing as it is called popular music for a reason).
Posted on 2/1/17 at 7:59 am to weptiger
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Collectively, not bad tunes, but geared for radio at the time
Oh yeah I agree with that. Just always seems like a little revisionist history when I hear folks talk about Dave era being heavier. But yes also agree that Hagar era was not as hard as the hardest Dave era. Really was too totally different bands.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:23 am to Potchafa
I can tolerate a handful of Hagar songs, but I can listen to every DLR-era VH album from front to back, even Diver Down and A Different Kind Of Truth. I may have said it before on this board, but I'd rather listen to VH with DLR sing "Happy Trails" for two hours than go see a Van Hagar show...
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:34 pm to tidalmouse
Balance is my favorite. an d i'll give it 12 of 5 ))
Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:04 pm to weptiger
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Granted. I just think some of the Van Hagar stuff was more slickly produced in a poppy vein. Again, not bad records, just not as hard as the hardest stuff with DLR. A few songs that support the viewpoint: - Why Can't This Be Love - Dreams - When It's Love - Cant Stop Lovin' You
I agree with this 100%...
Don't forget the other Van Hagar hits.......
Love Walks In
Don't tell me what love can do
In N out
It seems the Sammy songs are all about " LOVE " and the DLR stuff was Aint talkin bout " LOVE ". All of the DLR albums were heavy, but they also had a swing sound to it. The Sammy stuff was much more polished and poppy and most of those song didn't swing at all. I'll take Fair Warning for the win Alex.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:54 pm to Potchafa
Give me everything pre US Festival 1983 
over anything they've done since.
over anything they've done since.Posted on 2/1/17 at 11:59 pm to vandelay industries
quote:.
DLR sing "Happy Trails" for two hours than go see a Van Hagar show...
Bumbadeedah Bumbadeedah Bumbadeedah..
Posted on 2/2/17 at 7:25 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
You have to separate the DLR era and the Hagar era from each other.
The DLR era and the sound fit the early 80's. Nobody thought that DLR could sing but the sounds that Eddie was making was just something we had never heard before. That is what drew everyone to listen to VH. Then 1984 and Jump came out. It was a pop song (sorry but it's true) that fit the times. Their music was already changing at that point towards what would become later as the Hagar years.
The Hagar sound fit the late 80's and through the 90's. They were more melodic and yes polished. The band changed and grew up by then. They were well written and damn good songs. The band didn't need to do any cover songs to put on the albums anymore.
Both eras were good, just different. You have to put them in their perspective times and what was out when these songs were released.
The DLR era and the sound fit the early 80's. Nobody thought that DLR could sing but the sounds that Eddie was making was just something we had never heard before. That is what drew everyone to listen to VH. Then 1984 and Jump came out. It was a pop song (sorry but it's true) that fit the times. Their music was already changing at that point towards what would become later as the Hagar years.
The Hagar sound fit the late 80's and through the 90's. They were more melodic and yes polished. The band changed and grew up by then. They were well written and damn good songs. The band didn't need to do any cover songs to put on the albums anymore.
Both eras were good, just different. You have to put them in their perspective times and what was out when these songs were released.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 7:35 am to YouAre8Up
yeah, i don't hate the sammy version by any means. In fact, i'm pretty sure i owned all of their albums at one time.
I just prefer the DLR version.Dance the night away (my all time VH favorite), Running with the devil, their covers of dancing in the street and you really got me.
I'll say this in the DLR years Dave himself seemed to be having a ball. During the Sammy years, the whole band seemed like they were having more fun.
I remember Eddie saying that Dave was always like "the big cheese" and no one knew why. But with Sammy that wasn't a thing.
I just prefer the DLR version.Dance the night away (my all time VH favorite), Running with the devil, their covers of dancing in the street and you really got me.
I'll say this in the DLR years Dave himself seemed to be having a ball. During the Sammy years, the whole band seemed like they were having more fun.
I remember Eddie saying that Dave was always like "the big cheese" and no one knew why. But with Sammy that wasn't a thing.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:26 am to MorbidTheClown
I have Everybody Wants Some on the iPod for the gym to this day. The intro has to get your blood pumping.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:13 am to YouAre8Up
Even with the thousands of EVH copycats spawning in the 80's, the DLR-era albums still stood out from the competition. The Van Hagar songs might've been well-written from a formulaic standpoint, but many of 'em just sounded like a band trying to fit in with other bands sharing the top 40...
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:53 pm to Potchafa
quote:
Lets talk Van Halen .........
quote:
Sammy's
lol
Posted on 2/3/17 at 12:45 pm to YouAre8Up
quote:VH1 came out in (early) 1978, and it was like nothing I had ever heard before. I feel bad for 15-20 year old boys now because they'll never know what that feeling is like. Literally, the first time I heard Atomic Punk, I knew nothing would ever be the same again. Van Halen II came out about a year later, and I believe is the better of the 2. I still can't listen to the last 45 seconds of Light Up the Sky without my heart racing. We need to cut out all this bullshite about DLR couldn't do this or couldn't do that. DLR was absolutely the man and he fit perfectly. And despite the inherent humor in the band's overall presentation, they tore up shite like an invading army.
The DLR era and the sound fit the early 80's.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 12:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
For me, the first two albums are perfection - game changers.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 2:22 pm to haikarate
Correct. I don't want them linked to "perfect for the 80's". They shattered the 70's and didn't really fit in with the early 80's. By the time Jump came out, that was the band saying "we can do this pop shite just as good or better than the rest of you".
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