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Jackson Browne and The Eagles- Take It Easy

Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:18 pm
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:18 pm
Very Nice at The Grammys. Jackson wrote Take It Easy with Frey.
Posted by heatom2
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:19 pm to
It was a very sad performance. It was slowed down a tick and everyone looked sad.
Posted by dchunk
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:23 pm to
Just hit me on the gaping hole The Eagles now have without the presence of Frey. He was the QB of that group.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:26 pm to
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Just hit me on the gaping hole The Eagles now have without the presence of Frey.


That and the fact they are old as hell.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:32 pm to
And better than any of today's shite. This not coming from a big Eagle fan, and even less of a Frey fan.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:20 pm to
Yes they looked sad. It's like they couldn't wait to get off the stage. But I can understand.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 6:09 am to
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And better than any of today's shite. This not coming from a big Eagle fan


I'm a huge Eagles fan. Doesn't mean they aren't old and about washed up.

Is it OK that I don't think David Bowie would be much good today either?
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:20 am to
is this online anywhere? Its the only part of the grammys I wanted to catch
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:24 am to
No Felder, no care.

And if he doesn't make the (rescheduled) Kennedy Center Honors show (and I don't expect it, with as petty as Henley has become in his old age) - I won't watch that, either.

I don't have a problem with JB standing in Frey's spot on the stage.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:25 am to
Posted by lacajun069
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:30 am to
The lyrics for Hotel California were about Browns wife who committed suicide. Henley penned the lyrics to the guitar tracks that Don Felder had laid down and giving to him.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:57 am to
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The lyrics for Hotel California were about Browns wife who committed suicide.


Not really, although certainly that negative news was on Henley and Frey's minds when they were writing the songs on the album. Henley is adamant about the song's lyrics being about a broader theme of a journey from innocence to experience. You see similar lyrical themes from Henley in other Eagles songs, as well as his solo work, such as End of the Innocence and Boys of Summer, personifying concepts in the form of a girl.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 9:58 am
Posted by Bloodworth
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 10:33 am to
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No Felder, no care. And if he doesn't make the (rescheduled) Kennedy Center Honors show (and I don't expect it, with as petty as Henley has become in his old age) - I won't watch that, either.


Id always heard and read that Felder was negative force in the band. He was super jealous of Frey and Henley who were the genius behind the band.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 10:40 am to
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Id always heard and read that Felder was negative force in the band.


Frey had a physical altercation with every member of the band at one point (maybe not Schmit, who is a notch above a hired gun). He was also the leader. It happens.

The falling out between Frey (and, by proxy, Henley) and Felder was over money, at the end of the day.

Felder made them a legitimate rock and roll band and wrote the music for the opus Hotel California.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 10:43 am
Posted by Knight of Old
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:35 am to
Dude - Felder created some guitar licks/riffs/progressions. That is not the same as writing songs. Felder thought he was as big as Henley or Frey - big mistake and pretty idiotic.

Also, Felder was brought in to replace Bernie Leadon (another guitarist/band member who got too big for his britches) and was a huge improvement. Walsh was the one who put on the hard edge rock'n roll.

Felder created some absolutely iconic guitar sequences but he screwed himself over all by himself by thinking the band was some sort of democracy instead of an outfit founded and driven by Frey and Henley. Too bad, really.
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:40 am to
yeah I'm not sure why felder gets such a pass from people. The guy is a great guitar player, but still ultimately a role player and refused to accept that. Frey may have been an a-hole about it, but he was right.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:46 am to
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Dude - Felder created some guitar licks/riffs/progressions.


I don't know where people get this. Songwriting (the music) IS about coming up with a unique melody and chord progression. That actually IS songwriting from a musical standpoint. It is hilarious that Henley and Frey describe everyone else's contributions in this way, but describe what they do (the exact same thing) as songwriting.

The lyrics, no question, Henley and Frey were great lyricists.

The third thing involved in creating music is arranging. That is largely what they consider the rhythm section contributions to their bands songs. They do not get songwriting credit for that - and, by and large, guitarists don't get credit merely for adding a solo over the top of a composition, unless the solo influences the composition or the guitarist otherwise contributed to the melody or progression. This is also what Henley and Frey did with most Eagles songs (arrangement) even if they didn't cowrite the song. This is also what producers often do without songwriting credit.

Now - having said that, Don Felder was not as prolific as Henley or Frey. Not only did they write the lion's share of the songs, they also really dominated the band's lyrics. I'm not trying to take anything away from them, but the band sounds like Long Road Out of Eden without Felder (even with Joe).

Joe's main contribution to the band's hit songs was Life in the Fast Lane (other than songs he wrote the bulk of and sang, such as Pretty Maids and In the City, which are 2 of my favorites).

If you want to hear the change - just listen to Take it Easy, Peaceful Easy Feeling, Tequila Sunrise, Desperado and Best of My Love - that was pretty much what you were going to get without Felder.

THEN listen to One of These Nights and Take it to the Limit - Felder doesn't get co-writing credit on either of those songs - and I used those as examples because that was a Henley/Frey and a Meisner composition, respectively. But Felder's guitar work makes those songs stand out from the bland, milquetoast, "old people" music they were doing before.

Felder was the primary songwriter on Hotel California and Victim of Love. Those songs and Life in the Fast Lane are the only real "rock" songs on the Hotel California album.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 11:50 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:12 pm to
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still ultimately a role player and refused to accept that.


Henley and Frey considered everyone else a "role player." The Eagles were nothing without those role players. I liked Don and Glenn's solo work for that matter. I recognize Glenn as the driving force of the band's success and Henley's genius as a lyricist (and the best lead singer in the band). But they still put out a bunch of boring, forgettable crap (maybe Desperado) - before they hooked up with Don Felder.

That's all I'm saying. They didn't like the money split and disregarded it. He sued them. He ultimately won ("settled"). They REALLY don't like that.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted by TheSlizzardKing
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:51 pm to
Walsh continues to be and has always been the coolest Eagle, IMO.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:53 pm to
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Walsh continues to be and has always been the coolest Eagle, IMO.


Too cool to a fault, though. Besides being, probably, the second weirdest dude in Rock and Roll history (between Charlie Watts and Warren Zevon), he had the longest, deepest struggle with substance abuse of any Eagle.

Felder drove him to rehab before they kicked off Hell Freezes Over.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 1:54 pm
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