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re: Zack Snyder-isms: BvS is Man of Steel 2? And More Fun
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:36 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:36 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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People complain when you go with the classic Superman.
People complain when you change him
I think what you mean is, people are bored watching hack directors dry-humping Superman's corpse.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 1:36 pm
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:40 pm to abellsujr
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You must not read many comics. To say that Batman is "as stale as a story can get" is a pretty uninformed statement. It may very well be your opinion, and that's fine. But that is not the general consensus by any means.
I don't. I have sex instead. Seriously, though, there have been 7 live action Batman movies in 26 years with handfuls of animated features and numerous animated shows in between. Sorry, but having the same story read to you in a different voice isn't going to make it more original the 18th time.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:46 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The Ant-Man film was a one-off project that was only on their schedule because it was greenlit prior to Iron Man and any thought of a Marvel movie universe. Even with its success, there are no plans for a sequel.
There are no announced plans for a sequel yet but it seemed to clearly set one up in the mid credits scene and w/it already over $400m worldwide w/o even opening in China yet I would be surprised if they don't announce a sequel sometime around December.
It's already made more money than Captain America: The First Avenger (both in the US and WW) and has a legitimate chance at making more than Thor.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:47 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:I've been married for 9 years and have three kids, so sex doesn't mean as much as it use to.
I have sex instead.
But good for you, boss.quote:Take my word for it, there is plenty more out there that hasn't been touched. Batman has yet to see his full potential. Not even close, especially on the big screen.
Sorry, but having the same story read to you in a different voice isn't going to make it more original the 18th time.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:50 pm to abellsujr
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Take my word for it, there is plenty more out there that hasn't been touched. Batman has yet to see his full potential. Not even close, especially on the big screen.
shite, they still have barely touched on the fact that he is a boss detective.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:31 pm to VaBamaMan
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That may be the case, but most people who watch movies don't think like that. Abell was correct in his statement about what a lot of people didn't like. Because they dont get that technical with their likes and dislikes. They simply see superficial, singular problems.
Actually, a lot of people will dislike a movie and not be able to put a finger on why. The average filmgoer is not going to analyze their reaction to a film to this degree. But if the film is tonally off, it will just feel wrong to the viewer, even if they can't say why.
The reason Snyder can't make a good Superman film is because he doesn't like the character. It's that simple. He think Superman is lame and unhip, and needs to be made more "modern" or "edgy". He's wrong, and his attempts to update Superman only make it worse. His problem is that he doesn't want to make a Superman film, everything flows from that. He's constantly fighting what Superman is.
I also disagree that Suicide Squad is a slam dunk. I'm kind of curious how it's going to do but I'm not sure its appeal outside of the more "bro" types of comic fans. At least Deadpool, who I hate, has comedy in his corner. Suicide Squad strikes me as a movie that appeals to people who like "edgy" and "dark", but I wonder its appeal in the general populace. I honestly don't know, but I know it doesn't really appeal to anyone in my nerd circle. We're too old for it and see it as pretty ridiculous, and also, we don't want to see Harley Quinn's superpower be whoring it up. That'll make me die inside.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:32 pm to Dr RC
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shite, they still have barely touched on the fact that he is a boss detective.
(insert Batman-dossier meme)
I can't find it. Bollocks.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:38 pm to abellsujr
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In fact, had Superman been more colorful, careful, whatever, I think people would have looked over some of the other things, like holes, some bad dialogue, etc.
Superman Returns.
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He was consistent. He didn't want Clark to use his powers.
Superman not saving Pa Kent at his request was not logical in any sense. quote:
It sounds like you're just trying to swing everything into your form of thinking now. It's like you can take anything and say "what it really means is this". Like saying Superman not being more colorful has EVERYTHING to do with the story. C'mon man.
You're totally missing the point of what I'm saying. But I tried.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:45 pm to Dr RC
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Take my word for it, there is plenty more out there that hasn't been touched. Batman has yet to see his full potential. Not even close, especially on the big screen.
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shite, they still have barely touched on the fact that he is a boss detective.
The James Bond aspect of the character has been neglected. There was a time when Batman was centered on Gotham, but he would easily jump across the world to get things done as well. The segment in Dark Knight when Bale went to retrieve the accountant in Asia was one of the most Batman scenes in the series.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:53 pm to Freauxzen
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Superman not saving Pa Kent at his request was not logical in any sense.
Pa telling Clark to back off b/c he's getting the dog was even worse.
Dude, you kid has super strength. Let him go to fricking truck. Nobody will be the wiser if he miraculously doesnt get sucked up by the tornado b/c they are all too busy hiding under an overpass like complete morons.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:53 pm to Freauxzen
quote:But then you have the issue of Superman not fighting anything and being a stalker as well. Not very consistent with the character...
Superman Returns.
quote:I said consistent. You're grasping for anything at this point.
Superman not saving Pa Kent at his request was not logical in any sense.
quote:And you're totally missing mine. That's nothing new here.
You're totally missing the point of what I'm saying. But I tried.
We just have differences of opinion. You always seem to have a hard time understanding that. You always try to force your beliefs on everyone. You're a born debater who has to be right all of the time, have fun...
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:02 pm to abellsujr
No need to respond to the rest....
Alright, let's make this simple, what is your point?
My entire point has to do with the idea that not all people know why they dislike films, why they don't connect, and why it just doesn't work, connected to the idea that people always give really simple examples. And you double down on that by characterizing critiques as things like "Pa Kent is stupid," when that's only an easy way of saying something more complex.
This isn't about us differing on opinions on Man of Steel. It's not about forcing beliefs, it's about opening up the debate rather than closing it down so quickly.
I really think you're doing critiques a disservice by constantly framing them in shallow understatements (and this happens for far more than MoS, and I fight it every time.)
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And you're totally missing mine. That's nothing new here.
Alright, let's make this simple, what is your point?
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We just have differences of opinion. You always seem to have a hard time understanding that. You always try to force your beliefs on everyone. You're a born debater who has to be right all of the time, have fun...
My entire point has to do with the idea that not all people know why they dislike films, why they don't connect, and why it just doesn't work, connected to the idea that people always give really simple examples. And you double down on that by characterizing critiques as things like "Pa Kent is stupid," when that's only an easy way of saying something more complex.
This isn't about us differing on opinions on Man of Steel. It's not about forcing beliefs, it's about opening up the debate rather than closing it down so quickly.
I really think you're doing critiques a disservice by constantly framing them in shallow understatements (and this happens for far more than MoS, and I fight it every time.)
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:02 pm to Baloo
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I also disagree that Suicide Squad is a slam dunk. I'm kind of curious how it's going to do but I'm not sure its appeal outside of the more "bro" types of comic fans. At least Deadpool, who I hate, has comedy in his corner. Suicide Squad strikes me as a movie that appeals to people who like "edgy" and "dark", but I wonder its appeal in the general populace. I honestly don't know, but I know it doesn't really appeal to anyone in my nerd circle
David Ayer's on record saying it will have a lot of comedy in it.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:07 pm to Freauxzen
quote:I've written enough. Have fun.
Alright, let's make this simple, what is your point?
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:18 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Well have fun. If you want to come in here and fight me every time I post why I think people don't like something, I can't respond to you any more. It's useless. I'm relaying things that I've seen and heard. If you want to come in here and attack why people say or do what they do, go for it. I can just tell you what has been said. I'm not a psychiatrist, you might be. You do your thing and come at me. I'll be sitting things out from now on.
and this happens for far more than MoS, and I fight it every time.)
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:26 pm to Freauxzen
[quote]This isn't about us differing on opinions on Man of Steel. It's not about forcing beliefs, it's about opening up the debate rather than closing it down so quickly.
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Your posts have very little effect on opening debate. Your posts have more to do with you being right.
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Your posts have very little effect on opening debate. Your posts have more to do with you being right.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:26 pm to abellsujr
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Well have fun. If you want to come in here and fight me every time I post why I think people don't like something, I can't respond to you any more. It's useless. I'm relaying things that I've seen and heard. If you want to come in here and attack why people say or do what they do, go for it. I can just tell you what has been said. I'm not a psychiatrist, you might be. You do your thing and come at me. I'll be sitting things out from now on.
I'm not attacking or coming at you, you're getting overly sensitive, but yeah we can quit.
Like I said, just trying to keep debate open.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:45 pm to Freauxzen
I will go on record as saying I didn't like MoS because he didnt seem like Superman. I get that you can break it down to the script, directing, etc. I may be simplifying it too much but I thought they totally missed what Superman stands for. And for the record, I own both Understanding Movies (11th Edition) and A Short History of the Movies (10th Edition). So I can get into more technical reasons for disliking it, but I am fully aware that I will overlook certain missteps if I really enjoy the central premise before the movie/character.
I enjoy Captain America FA way more than most, in large part because everything about that movie screamed Steve Rodgers and Captain America.
I have said it before, but if Avengers 2 and MoS switched climaxes, both movies would be significantly better. Despite WB losing confidence in Superman as a main draw, Disney could easily make a great Superman movie. They would give it a very middle America feel to it, probably a Michael Bay worthy number of American flag shots, and Superman would defeat some undeveloped villain, and be incredibly wholesome about the whole thing. It would work, it would be bright and colorful, and people would go home feeling good about themselves and America. Disney knows that like the back of their hand. WB wants to be dark and gritty, 2 words never associated with Superman.
I enjoy Captain America FA way more than most, in large part because everything about that movie screamed Steve Rodgers and Captain America.
I have said it before, but if Avengers 2 and MoS switched climaxes, both movies would be significantly better. Despite WB losing confidence in Superman as a main draw, Disney could easily make a great Superman movie. They would give it a very middle America feel to it, probably a Michael Bay worthy number of American flag shots, and Superman would defeat some undeveloped villain, and be incredibly wholesome about the whole thing. It would work, it would be bright and colorful, and people would go home feeling good about themselves and America. Disney knows that like the back of their hand. WB wants to be dark and gritty, 2 words never associated with Superman.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:10 pm to ThoseGuys
IMHO the main problem with MoS isn't that Superman isn't Superman, but that the Kents aren't the Kents.
In MoS, Clark becomes Superman in spite of the Kents, not because of them. You have him struggling with his purpose in life, whether to kill or not kill, where his place in the world is. All of the things that the comic book Superman worked out through the help of his parents during his childhood and teen years. I think that we'll eventually end up with a close approximation of Superman in Snyder's films, but it's a long dark road that could've been bypassed by letting the Kents be the Kents.
In MoS, Clark becomes Superman in spite of the Kents, not because of them. You have him struggling with his purpose in life, whether to kill or not kill, where his place in the world is. All of the things that the comic book Superman worked out through the help of his parents during his childhood and teen years. I think that we'll eventually end up with a close approximation of Superman in Snyder's films, but it's a long dark road that could've been bypassed by letting the Kents be the Kents.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:18 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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IMHO the main problem with MoS isn't that Superman isn't Superman, but that the Kents aren't the Kents.
That's a good point. I do think the lack of trust in the Superman character is a bigger issue, but they also run from the fundamental decency of the Kents. That's a gaping hole in the film.
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