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re: Would you watch a movie on the rise and fall of Adolf Hitler?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:10 pm to Keltic Tiger
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:10 pm to Keltic Tiger
He is a very fascinating individual especially with all that happened.... doesn't mean I condone it 
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:11 pm to crispyUGA
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One reason I like "Generation War" so much is that it really did humanize Nazis, though mainly the soldiers and general populace. I think one thing we forget too often is that Hitler, his High Command, the soldiers in the SS and the Wermacht, and everyday Germans (Nazi Party members and non-members alike) were humans just like you and I. That, in my mind, is the scariest part of it all. Books and documentaries do the world no favors now-days by portraying the Nazis as quasi-mythological monsters. The German people of the 30's and 40's were a desperate and broken people at the time of Hitler's rise to power, and it's something that can happen again if the world isn't vigilant.
Very good point. We need to humanize them. They were human and we are human. That means that we are capable of what they did if we aren't careful. They probably did not see themselves as monsters but were doing what they thought was required. It was sick and twisted, but any civilization is capable of the same if it is not aware of what led them to that point.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:31 pm to tduecen
To do it correctly you'd have to emphasize the transition Hitler underwent from social outcast, rudderless misfit, failed artist and basically, bum, living in a flophouse, to the charismatic totalitarian dictator of the world's most technologically advanced country, the focus of a personality cult, and almost the conqurer of the world
Think about it, that's incredible!
I'd argue that there's never been a more dramatic change in any person, ever. That's RIPE for a movie.
If I made a Hitler movie I'd focus on his (and Germany's) struggles in the post WWI era and would have the denouement be the moment Hilter gets "reprogramed" by the psychologist who treated him for hysterical blindness during the first world war.
During the Nuremberg trials, Hitler's WWI commander testified that the reason why Hitler failed to make it past the rank of corporal despite his years of wartime service was because Hitler had "no leadership ability whatsoever" and was a socially inept loner. How did that man become the master of millions?
During the war, Hitler had a breakdown and developed psychosomatic blindness. He was shipped off to convalesce with other mental cases at a special hospital in the rear. While there, he was treated by a brilliant psychologist who, after long discussions with Hitler, came to realize that he was a person who harbored both extremely romantic and extremely patriotic notions. Unlike other men who were there because they were constitutionaly just cowards, Hitler wanted to be back on the front, but his will was weak and he was emotionally broken.
The psychologist decided that, rather than the "tough love" approach he successfully took with other cases of hysterical blindness wherby the soldier was basically confronted with being a deserter and abused for it, with Hitler he'd try another strategy. He called Hitler to his office amd set him down. Turning out the lights, he lit a candle. He asked Hitler to close his eyes and told him "I believe that certain men are granted powers beyond those of normal men. This is because God has intended them for a special mission and invested in them powers to do things others can not. In a moment you will open your eyes and be able to see the candle. You will be able to do this, because you can overcome your blindness through force of will. You've been given this power of will by God, because you are meant to be the savior of Germany. I know that you believe this is true. I believe this is true. Now open your eyes and see the flame."
When Hitler opened his eyes, he could see.
Think about it, that's incredible!
I'd argue that there's never been a more dramatic change in any person, ever. That's RIPE for a movie.
If I made a Hitler movie I'd focus on his (and Germany's) struggles in the post WWI era and would have the denouement be the moment Hilter gets "reprogramed" by the psychologist who treated him for hysterical blindness during the first world war.
During the Nuremberg trials, Hitler's WWI commander testified that the reason why Hitler failed to make it past the rank of corporal despite his years of wartime service was because Hitler had "no leadership ability whatsoever" and was a socially inept loner. How did that man become the master of millions?
During the war, Hitler had a breakdown and developed psychosomatic blindness. He was shipped off to convalesce with other mental cases at a special hospital in the rear. While there, he was treated by a brilliant psychologist who, after long discussions with Hitler, came to realize that he was a person who harbored both extremely romantic and extremely patriotic notions. Unlike other men who were there because they were constitutionaly just cowards, Hitler wanted to be back on the front, but his will was weak and he was emotionally broken.
The psychologist decided that, rather than the "tough love" approach he successfully took with other cases of hysterical blindness wherby the soldier was basically confronted with being a deserter and abused for it, with Hitler he'd try another strategy. He called Hitler to his office amd set him down. Turning out the lights, he lit a candle. He asked Hitler to close his eyes and told him "I believe that certain men are granted powers beyond those of normal men. This is because God has intended them for a special mission and invested in them powers to do things others can not. In a moment you will open your eyes and be able to see the candle. You will be able to do this, because you can overcome your blindness through force of will. You've been given this power of will by God, because you are meant to be the savior of Germany. I know that you believe this is true. I believe this is true. Now open your eyes and see the flame."
When Hitler opened his eyes, he could see.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:07 am to ManBearTiger
Oh, I get it & certainly "getting a grip" is not a problem. I understand the mentality behind such a fascination. However, I guess, for me, it's like if I knew someone close who was a victim of a serial killer, watching documentaries on them would not be on any agenda of mine. And in this case, my best friend lost 87 members of his family to this fascinating individual. I just took OP's words as almost praising him & have issues with that interpretation, apparently wrong I see.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:11 am to tduecen
I'd watch
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:12 am to Keltic Tiger
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fascinating individual. I just took OP's words as almost praising him & have issues with that interpretation, apparently wrong I see.
Fascinating <> Praise
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:23 am to tduecen
Only if it includes the nice things he did
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:30 am to tduecen
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:45 am to Tom288
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What movie were you watching because it wasn't Downfall.
You don't think so? If you didn't know anything about the war or what the Nazis had done before watching that movie you wouldn't think there is some sad old man who believed he was defending his country to the last?
(again, I know the audience knows they started the damn war and were committing genocide, but the movie doesn't portray it as such until his talk about the Jews somewhere near the end)
I'd have to look it up again but I believe it was criticized in Germany for just that. As you can imagine, the stigma still looms large so they apparently don't like any depiction of Hitler that doesn't paint him as exactly who he was.
One of a number of samples from its wiki page:
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Concern about the film's depiction of Hitler led The New Yorker film critic David Denby to note:[6]
As a piece of acting, Ganz's work is not just astounding, it's actually rather moving. But I have doubts about the way his virtuosity has been put to use. By emphasizing the painfulness of Hitler's defeat Ganz has [...] made the dictator into a plausible human being. Considered as biography, the achievement (if that's the right word) [...] is to insist that the monster was not invariably monstrous – that he was kind to his cook and his young female secretaries, loved his German shepherd, Blondi, and was surrounded by loyal subordinates. We get the point: Hitler was not a supernatural being; he was common clay raised to power by the desire of his followers. But is this observation a sufficient response to what Hitler actually did?
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 11:47 am
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