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Why I love the ‘Star Wars’ prequels and you should too

Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:57 am
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:57 am
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I have a confession to make: I don’t hate the Star Wars prequels. In fact, I love them.

Not having hatred for a movie trilogy that earned more than $1 billion at the worldwide box office (according to Box Office Mojo) is not an opinion that should be considered particularly controversial. For instance, I also don’t hate Titanic or The Avengers or the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

But while I’ve never felt the need to hide the fact that I am a Star Wars fan in general (being a nerd is cool now, guys), I have always felt self-conscious about my love for George Lucas’ Star Wars prequel trilogy, which revisited the beloved franchise to tell the story of how young Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. I constantly qualified my affection by reminding friends that I was young when I first saw the films, that I liked the original trilogy better, and that I still prefered practical effects to CGI. And while all of those things are true, they do not make me like The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith any less. What made me like them less, at least for a time, was everyone else.

Blame Internet outrage or peer pressure or how excited we are for the new installments in the series, but just as nostalgia has inflated the original trilogy to near mythic heights, the last decade has allowed dislike for the prequels to sour into petty disdain. And they don’t deserve it.

The prequels do have their share of flaws -- there’s no denying this. The films -- especially The Phantom Menace -- garnered deserved (but measured) criticism when they were released from 1999-2005. Yes, Jar Jar was terrible (from his language to his antics to his CG depiction), Jake Lloyd was not the greatest child actor, and the dialogue ranged from wooden to cheesy to downright silly.

But there are plenty of elements in the prequels that are worthy of celebration, and indeed, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are very solid entries in the franchise as a whole. Yet we scorn all three movies because they are different. Or, more accurately, we scorn them because they’re not exactly what we wanted.

The prequels tell a different kind of story than the original trilogy told, which was jarring for many fans. Instead of a hero’s journey to victory, they depict a hero’s fall from grace, a tragedy that is harder to bring to life onscreen. Coupled with the fact that Lucas -- with significantly improved technology behind him this time around-- chose a different visual style, the first three episodes of the series often feel as if they are part of a different universe.

Different isn’t always good, but it isn’t always bad, either. The visuals in the prequels might contrast sharply from the original trilogy (think the sleek Naboo ships and the claustrophobic cityscape of Coruscant as compared to the roughness of the Millennium Falcon and the mostly untouched wilderness on Hoth and Endor), but that doesn’t mean they aren’t stunning to behold. And in fact the slow evolution of the visuals, for example the design of the ships, as the Republic evolves into the Empire is one of the details the films executed the most gracefully. But that evolution is overlooked because at first blush, the new world Lucas created lacked the classic imagery nostalgia-obsessed fans wanted so desperately to see. It's hard to love an update of something you loved as a child when it does not, in fact, look like what you remember. (It is worth noting that The Force Awakens has very strategically included iconic imagery from the original trilogy in its earliest advertising, from the set pieces to the costumes to Han Solo himself.)

There’s also no denying that the technology behind the prequels brought sequences to life that wouldn’t have been possible in the 70s and 80s. Jar Jar may have looked (and sounded) fake, but that lightsaber battle between Yoda and Count Dooku? It’s a breathtaking scene that was only achievable through CGI. In fact, the entire third act of Clones, from the arena fight to the first Clone War battle to Anakin and Padme’s secret wedding, is the greatest contribution the prequels make to the Star Wars canon, as thrilling to watch as anything in Return of the Jedi.

In the prequels, the lightsaber battles are sleeker affairs with better choreography and more athleticism. The duel between Obi Wan and Anakin at the end of Sith is as operatic as the music that backs it up, while the same two characters mostly shuffle around each other in A New Hope until Vader takes a final, deadly swing. Of course, the New Hope battle is exciting and emotionally resonant without dramatic choreography, but there’s plenty of value to be found in the Sith spectacle as well.

And while the plot points of Phantom may have drifted too far into the obscure (using the words “taxation of trade routes” in the title scroll is always a mistake) the darker political themes in Clones and Sith are bold and intriguing, exploring the way fascism can creep into society, rather than overpowering it in one fell swoop. “What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists?” Padme asks Anakin in Sith. Later she is proven right when the Republic falls, as she notes, to “thunderous applause” as Jedi are slaughtered across the galaxy by their comrades, and her husband murders dozens of children. It’s an exceedingly dark place to go, and a far cry from the dancing teddy bear Ewoks celebrating the end of the Empire at the close of Jedi. In the original trilogy, the light side gets to win. In the prequels it has to lose. Maybe it’s a harder story to stomach, but we shouldn’t dismiss it just for being told.

The cult of hating the Star Wars prequels came at us all in different ways. Maybe you saw the infamous Red Letter Media reviews, video critiques which viciously picked apart the films in excruciating detail, in nearly as much time as it takes to watch the movies outright (apply this method to any movie and it will seem terrible).Maybe it just seemed like the right opinion to have. Or, maybe you actually don’t like the movies.

But, perhaps if you haven’t watched them in a few years or if you’ve only heard about how bad they are, maybe you can give the Star Wars prequels another chance. Yes, you’ll have to sit through the painful use of the words “Meesa” and “Yousa” from a walking amphibian, but you’ll also see the adventure, the fantasy and the wonder that made a whole new generation believe in the Force. And isn’t that the point of seeing Star Wars, anyway?


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This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 12:00 pm
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:04 pm to
Searched the article for "Hayden". Didn't see anything. Article is BS.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8184 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:10 pm to
I think the miscasting of Anakin in all three movies is at least 60% why the movies are so hated. Replace Lloyd and Christensen with home runs and you have entirely different films
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:15 pm to
I blame the dialogue and director more than the actors.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39195 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:16 pm to
George is that you?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:16 pm to
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I blame the dialogue and director more than the actors.


Probably fair. Ewan McGregor did everything humanly possible to save these unsaveable films.
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:17 pm to
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I think the miscasting of Anakin in all three movies is at least 60% why the movies are so hated. Replace Lloyd and Christensen with home runs and you have entirely different films


First, Lloyd should have never been cast because there should have never been a kid Anakin.

2nd, Hayden was a good choice imo. He is a great actor but was given terrible dialogue to read in front of a blue screen. He has said he enjoyed the club scene in AOTC the most because it was the only real set he was on. That's fricking terrible. You can not tell me he doesn't look evil and extremely badass in ROTS. Hayden was not the failure of these movies.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8184 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:19 pm to
I never thought I'd see the day when someone called Hayden Christensen a great actor. I must've missed his subsequent acting career where his talent has shown brightly for all to see
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:22 pm to
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You can not tell me he doesn't look evil and extremely badass in ROTS.


He looked pathetic, whiny and weak. His "badass" moments were wading through kindergarten students and shouting, "Noooooooooooo!" - which was JEJ, and not even HC - although he was in the suit.



"Great actor" - "badass"
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:24 pm to
Watch some of his movies where he doesn't have to tell Padame how much he hates sand in front of a blue screen
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:31 pm to
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Watch some of his movies where he doesn't have to tell Padame how much he hates sand in front of a blue screen


Don't get me wrong - he was placed in an impossible position. Look how bad Natalie Portman and Samuel L. Jackson (hell, Liam Neeson) - folks with legitimate "great actor" credentials outside of Star Wars - now, I don't think HC is a great actor - by any stretch of the imagination - but he wasn't as bad as he looked in Star Wars - none of those actors were.
Posted by The Godfather
Surrounded by Assholes
Member since Mar 2005
41433 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:34 pm to
I wouldnt call him a "great" actor, the problem was the dialogue and George Lucas. He was good in Life as a House and Shattered Glass, he has been nominated for a Golden Globe and SAG award.. he CAN act
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:35 pm to
He is actually really good in Shattered Glass
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:36 pm to
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Hayden was not the failure of these movies.


You're absolutely right here. No actor could have saved this train wreck once it pulled out of the station.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108403 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:36 pm to
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In fact, the entire third act of Clones, from the arena fight to the first Clone War battle to Anakin and Padme’s secret wedding, is the greatest contribution the prequels make to the Star Wars canon, as thrilling to watch as anything in Return of the Jedi.


Yeah, real exciting having expendable clones fighting expendable droids and having no idea who is winning or losing. Next to the love story, this is the worst part of the prequels.

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Maybe you saw the infamous Red Letter Media reviews, video critiques which viciously picked apart the films in excruciating detail, in nearly as much time as it takes to watch the movies outright (apply this method to any movie and it will seem terrible).Maybe it just seemed like the right opinion to have. Or, maybe you actually don’t like the movies.

But, perhaps if you haven’t watched them in a few years or if you’ve only heard about how bad they are, maybe you can give the Star Wars prequels another chance. Yes, you’ll have to sit through the painful use of the words “Meesa” and “Yousa” from a walking amphibian, but you’ll also see the adventure, the fantasy and the wonder that made a whole new generation believe in the Force. And isn’t that the point of seeing Star Wars, anyway?


Has he actually watched the reviews? They may mention Jar Jar for a total of 2 minutes in all 3 reviews. The point of those reviews is its flawed in its very core. Taking Jar Jar out really doesn't correct any of the flaws of the prequels. He is simply a nuisance and not a factor on the actual problems of the movies.
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:38 pm to
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In fact, the entire third act of Clones, from the arena fight to the first Clone War battle to Anakin and Padme’s secret wedding, is the greatest contribution the prequels make to the Star Wars canon, as thrilling to watch as anything in Return of the Jedi.



frick that shite.
That stretch of scenes was probably the worst in the series
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:46 pm to
I don't hate the prequels as much as most others. I don't particularly think they were good movies, but I enjoyed the story that was being told for the most part. Don't get me wrong the acting was terrible and the dialogue was cheesy...but the overall story of Anakin turning to the dark side, the clone wars, and just how and why the empire rose to power leading to the rebellion I thought was good...it's just the way it was portrayed was bad.

Disclaimer: this doesn't count phantom menace, that movie was just all out bad, stupid, and really had very very little to actually do with the overall story.
Posted by TimmyTigah
f where u from
Member since Sep 2015
543 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:48 pm to
At the very least the prequels make you appreciate the original trilogy more. So for that they should be loved.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108403 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:53 pm to
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but the overall story of Anakin turning to the dark side


He goes from being a so-called "good person" to butchering children within an hour. The transition was rushed to a degree it doesn't make sense.

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the clone wars


Disposable troops vs disposable troops, and we saw no actual consequences from the war aside from the Jedi being wiped out. The clones should have been the antagonists that massacred the innocent, not Boba Fett Storm Trooper clones.

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just how and why the empire rose to power leading to the rebellion I thought was good


It's nothing short of retarded that the Jedi should have been able to prevent.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 12:56 pm to
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