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Why Do Superhero Movies Keep Having Such Terrible Villains? (SS spoilers)
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:20 pm
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Suicide Squad' continues the frustrating trend in comic book cinema.
Despite poor reviews, Suicide Squad actually has a lot of good in it.
Unfortunately, its pair of chief villains are not among those good parts — with Enchantress (Cara Delevingne) and her brother Incubus (Alain Chanoine) continuing a frustrating trend in superhero cinema.
It all builds to an end fight, which is among the least compelling in the past decade of comic book movies. (It's not the worst. This is the worst.) At no time do you really believe the team will fail (or really care if they will succeed or not). You also don’t get a sense of what these two villains are all about … other than they are evil and magic-y? And want to destroy the world? And they really like to make zombie armies out of asphalt or something?
Having a villain commanding a faceless army of goons makes sense for a PG-13 teamup movie. You don't want audiences feeling bad that your protagonists are killing hundreds of actual humans. But it also lowers the stakes significantly. People loved The Avengers (2012) — but to this day mock the faceless Chitauri alien army. By the time Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) came around, having the Avengers fight yet another faceless army of drones (this time, they were literally drones), audiences reacted poorly.
I probably would've enjoyed SS a lot more if had a solid villain. But Echantress and her brother were two of the worst villains I've ever seen in a film.
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This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 4:45 pm
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:25 pm to RLDSC FAN
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really like to make zombie armies out of asphalt or something
These bad guys were pathetically bad. They literally crumpled to dust when hit by a bat. And like I said in another thread, Waller says an army that can take a shot to the head and keep coming. Not from what I saw on screen. Laughably bad.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:25 pm to RLDSC FAN
Waller was the villain in Suicide Squad. I think she was okay.
I'm taking Ledger out of the mix because that's unfair to the other films...
DC's best: Zod (both incarnations)
Marvel's best: Loki (Ultron had potential)
I'm taking Ledger out of the mix because that's unfair to the other films...
DC's best: Zod (both incarnations)
Marvel's best: Loki (Ultron had potential)
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:37 pm to RLDSC FAN
You should probably throw a SS spoiler tag up. Someone's going to bitch.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:47 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
Waller was the villain in Suicide Squad.
This.
Which is one of the things Suicide Squad's writing portrayed well.
Waller was no different then Deadshot...she did her murdering (remember those FBI agents) under the guise of being a patriot (and it wasn't lost on me that she activated to suicide squad to come save her arse while murdering her minions) whereas Deadshot did it for the money.
Which really was more evil?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:50 pm to RLDSC FAN
Writing and acting are bigger problems than the villains themselves:
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:53 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
Waller was the villain in Suicide Squad
Ehhh I don't necessarily agree on that. Her end goal was to save humanity by any means.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:54 pm to asurob1
quote:
she did her murdering (remember those FBI agents) under the guise of being a patriot
shite, forgot about that
Posted on 8/8/16 at 5:03 pm to Hank Marducas
Because all these villians are now done on the computer, they are all CGI'd with horrendous acting and just have a corny "ghostbusters" feel. Christopher nolan made the villians great because they were real, great actors, with no CGI, with realness
Posted on 8/8/16 at 5:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
My idea for a justice league movie :
No armies but fight injustice league
joker, sinsestro, grundy, firefly, parasite
save for Avengers
Zod was good
No armies but fight injustice league
joker, sinsestro, grundy, firefly, parasite
save for Avengers
Zod was good
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 5:10 pm to monkeybutt
Even when you have a good villain it can misfire due to poor writing and casting.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:03 pm to monkeybutt
The movie lost me in the last 45 minutes. It certainly wasn't perfect before then, but things fell off the rails so tast.
- The villains were certainly a big part of a bigger problem. The horribly CGI'd enchantress dancing and talking nonsense while building a "machine" of unknown purpose and ability just looked and sounded ridiculous. Then there was her equally horribly CGI'd brother, who was basically an indestructible demigod until he crossed paths with the Squad and became completely inept.
- Diablo turning into a giant, Aztec fire chicken and continually one-upping himself in the cringeworthy dialogue contest. "I lost one family, I'm not gonna lose another!" "It's on now bitch!" It was flat-out hard to watch.
- The Sand Snakes would have blushed at the fight scene that follows, which is rendered completely pointless as soon as Enchantress waves her hand and disarms all of her opponents with ease. The guy next to me in the theatre audibly scoffed. It was the sound of someone's intelligence being insulted.
- Enchantress then decides that she wants people to join her in her quest to do, uh, whatever the frick it is she was planning on doing after her machine does whatever the frick it was supposed to do. "She's trying to take over the world!" Thanks for clearing that up, Deadshot. "What's the world ever done for us?" Oh for crying out loud. Why does a super witch need/want any of the people that SHE IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO DESTROY to join her at anything? What could a 100 lb. psycho woman even do for her? Isn't she still mad about them killing her brother, or is she pulling a Deadshot and immediately forgiving someone who made them face-fricking furious only seconds earlier?
- Harley fricking Quinn cuts open "the most powerful meta human we've ever encountered" and takes her heart out. Hell, at this point, why not. This leads to the comically long slow-motion sequence of the dynamite that destroys the Mystery Machine.
- "You don't have the balls," says the ancient mega-witch. WHAT. THE. frick.
All this would have been enough to sour me on a GOOD movie, but I haven't even mentioned the everlasting and cringe-inducing bar scene. All that in addition to the basic elements of pace and storytelling that were missing was enough for me to just hate the movie. Harley and the Joker were interesting in the same way dick jokes are funny - yeah I'm laughing, but who gives a shite, you know?
- The villains were certainly a big part of a bigger problem. The horribly CGI'd enchantress dancing and talking nonsense while building a "machine" of unknown purpose and ability just looked and sounded ridiculous. Then there was her equally horribly CGI'd brother, who was basically an indestructible demigod until he crossed paths with the Squad and became completely inept.
- Diablo turning into a giant, Aztec fire chicken and continually one-upping himself in the cringeworthy dialogue contest. "I lost one family, I'm not gonna lose another!" "It's on now bitch!" It was flat-out hard to watch.
- The Sand Snakes would have blushed at the fight scene that follows, which is rendered completely pointless as soon as Enchantress waves her hand and disarms all of her opponents with ease. The guy next to me in the theatre audibly scoffed. It was the sound of someone's intelligence being insulted.
- Enchantress then decides that she wants people to join her in her quest to do, uh, whatever the frick it is she was planning on doing after her machine does whatever the frick it was supposed to do. "She's trying to take over the world!" Thanks for clearing that up, Deadshot. "What's the world ever done for us?" Oh for crying out loud. Why does a super witch need/want any of the people that SHE IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO DESTROY to join her at anything? What could a 100 lb. psycho woman even do for her? Isn't she still mad about them killing her brother, or is she pulling a Deadshot and immediately forgiving someone who made them face-fricking furious only seconds earlier?
- Harley fricking Quinn cuts open "the most powerful meta human we've ever encountered" and takes her heart out. Hell, at this point, why not. This leads to the comically long slow-motion sequence of the dynamite that destroys the Mystery Machine.
- "You don't have the balls," says the ancient mega-witch. WHAT. THE. frick.
All this would have been enough to sour me on a GOOD movie, but I haven't even mentioned the everlasting and cringe-inducing bar scene. All that in addition to the basic elements of pace and storytelling that were missing was enough for me to just hate the movie. Harley and the Joker were interesting in the same way dick jokes are funny - yeah I'm laughing, but who gives a shite, you know?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:21 pm to RLDSC FAN
I actually liked zemo in civil war. He had personal reasons for wanting to destroy the avengers that weren't over the top. Much better than the usual world conquering garbage.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:23 pm to Hank Marducas
quote:I'm pretty sure the first 2 missions were to save Waller while whatever else was going on in the background.
Waller was the villain in Suicide Squad
Ehhh I don't necessarily agree on that. Her end goal was to save humanity by any means.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:43 pm to RLDSC FAN
It does seem like every comic book villain puts up resistance no better than a LOTR orc.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:
But Echantress and her brother were two of the worst villains
taught me how to belly dance though
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:04 pm to drizztiger
quote:
Waller was the villain in Suicide Squad
Ehhh I don't necessarily agree on that. Her end goal was to save humanity by any means.
I'm pretty sure the first 2 missions were to save Waller while whatever else was going on in the background.
Yup
At minimum she should have been arrested for murder, hell deadeye had leverage OVER HER.
I won't even get into the fact her little experiment would have been shut down the moment it was revealed that it was a member of her little experiment who was responsible for the deaths of 1000s and the destruction of midway city.
won't mention that fact at all.
Movie was hot garbage.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:18 pm to jeff5891
quote:Seizure dancing.
taught me how to belly dance though
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