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What makes a film good?

Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:01 pm
Posted by CapitalCityDevil
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:01 pm
For me, it is 99% writing and 1% everything else. I would prefer to watch two people sitting in a room having a conversation (for example The Sunset Limited) than any recent Michael Bay-esque movie.

I judge movies the same way I judge people: are you interesting within the first 5 minutes of me meeting you?

For example, the first scene of The Dark Knight Rises is probably one of the worst written scenes of any recent top grossing mainstream movie.

Though I have been surprised after the first 5 minutes disappointed me, it rarely happens.

Also just for fun I leave you with this comment: Comedy is much harder to make than drama always, without exception.

Discuss. (Or don't.)

Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:06 pm to
ROI obviously
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:08 pm to
If it makes me feel something or think about something I otherwise would not have felt/thought.
Posted by Rebel Land Shark
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:45 pm to
Not boring
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

Comedy is much harder to make than drama always, without exception.

True, there's way more bad comedies than bad dramas. Comedic acting is much more difficult than dramatic acting.
Posted by TOKEN
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:53 pm to
Sex Sales
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Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37295 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

For me, it is 99% writing and 1% everything else. I would prefer to watch two people sitting in a room having a conversation (for example The Sunset Limited) than any recent Michael Bay-esque movie.


See, the beauty of film is that it's a little bit of everything. If I wanted something that's 90% writing, well I'd read a book or comic book. Those are also certainly great mediums of art that have a lot to contribute, but when I see a film...it's about all the pieces.... writing, editing, cinematography, acting, special effects, costume design, music, etc.

It's the interplay of those elements to tell a great story and inspire/incite a feeling, that makes a "good film."

That doesn't mean that Michael Bay can't make a good film, he's made a couple for sure, but he leans too hard on one aspect to be consistently good. No one does a better job filming explosions. And there's value in that.

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I judge movies the same way I judge people: are you interesting within the first 5 minutes of me meeting you?


If I'm even mildly interested, I'll watch anything all the way through.

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For example, the first scene of The Dark Knight Rises is probably one of the worst written scenes of any recent top grossing mainstream movie.


Prepare yourself....

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Also just for fun I leave you with this comment: Comedy is much harder to make than drama always, without exception.


They both can be pretty tough to make. Making an effective movie is tough, period. No matter the genre. Star Wars. Holy Grail. Die Hard. Casablanca. Wizard of Oz. All of those films took guts and hard work.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:14 pm to
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For me, it is 99% writing and 1% everything else. I would prefer to watch two people sitting in a room having a conversation (for example The Sunset Limited) than any recent Michael Bay-esque movie.



Watching two people sitting in a room talking could be very boring depending on what the are talking about. Where as a movie with little to no dialog could be very cinematic and still tell a good story.

Lots of things go into a good movie. Writing is important but equally so is what the story is about and does it interest me. Then there's total production value, directing, cinematography, acting, soundtrack,etc.



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I judge movies the same way I judge people: are you interesting within the first 5 minutes of me meeting you?



That's not really a good way to find good movies or meet people.

Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:17 pm to
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For me, it is 99% writing and 1% everything else.


I wouldn't go that far since there are directors and actors that can make a huge difference in any production but if you have a great story/script, then there are likely a lot of directors and actors who could make it work.
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

I judge movies the same way I judge people: are you interesting within the first 5 minutes of me meeting you?


Wow! You are really intelligent op!!!!






You sound like a pretentious a-hole, fwiw
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:20 pm to
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No one does a better job filming explosions. And there's value in that.




Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:28 pm to
Being the exact opposite of 'The Phantom Menace.'
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

See, the beauty of film is that it's a little bit of everything. If I wanted something that's 90% writing, well I'd read a book or comic book. Those are also certainly great mediums of art that have a lot to contribute, but when I see a film...it's about all the pieces.... writing, editing, cinematography, acting, special effects, costume design, music, etc.
Came to post this.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:38 pm to
When one of the main actors dies irl during production.
Posted by CapitalCityDevil
Seattle
Member since Nov 2014
2916 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:44 pm to
Understand that I said writing, not dialogue. Many silent films are excellent because of the writing.
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

I judge movies the same way I judge people: are you interesting within the first 5 minutes of me meeting you?


quote:

One woman will sit a table not made for coffee, but for love.

"Hello, nice to meet you"

The person sitting across from her will be a man. But will he be....the man?

Starring Kate Winslet, Channing Tatum, Owen Wilson, and Benedict Cumberbatch as "Gunther", coming this fall from Universal Pictures.....

It's not who you are, but how quick you are

SPEED DATING: THE MOVIE

The clock starts October 8th

Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37295 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:50 pm to
Posted by CapitalCityDevil
Seattle
Member since Nov 2014
2916 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:51 pm to
Let me be a bit more specific: I am impressed with cinematography if it tells a story (is part of the writing). If you've seen any of Terrence Malick's films, and I'm sure you have, you will understand what I mean.

I appreciate acting, but only if the actor is achieving what the writing calls for. In my opinion it is far too easy to "spot" some actors, and even easier to typecast actors.

Special effects mean the least to me. To be honest I would probably enjoy a play of Avatar as much as, if not more, than I did the movie.

Music however, I will bend the knee. Good music in a movie is definitely a must, but at the same time the music plays on the writing. Not the other way around.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33943 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:01 pm to
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For me, it is 99% writing and 1% everything else.


I won't go that far but I agree that writing is by far the essential part of a great film. That's why I usually don't hold directors who don't write their own films in the same esteem as the auteurs who write and direct. Anybody can direct but it's hard as hell to write a good script.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37295 posts
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

Let me be a bit more specific: I am impressed with cinematography if it tells a story (is part of the writing). If you've seen any of Terrence Malick's films, and I'm sure you have, you will understand what I mean.

I appreciate acting, but only if the actor is achieving what the writing calls for. In my opinion it is far too easy to "spot" some actors, and even easier to typecast actors.

Special effects mean the least to me. To be honest I would probably enjoy a play of Avatar as much as, if not more, than I did the movie.

Music however, I will bend the knee. Good music in a movie is definitely a must, but at the same time the music plays on the writing. Not the other way around.


That's fine and dandy, but a good film contains a heavy dose of many of these all added together.
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