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re: Watching Empire Strikes Back last night
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:09 am to Tactical1
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:09 am to Tactical1
quote:Me neither, and it has some really painfully stupid dialogue.
The acting was top notch
I don't know why people keep telling themselves this.
A large portion of Empire people weren't even alive when these movies were released - far more than Star Wars. I think a lot of it has to do with people being fed their opinions from message boards, constituting a kind of hive mind mentality.
Don't get me wrong. It's a very good movie, but again, I think its preference has a lot to do with people hating Lucas.
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Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:23 am to blueboy
I love Star Wars and always have, but anybody who says that the acting in any SW movie is "top notch" is borderline insane.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:27 am to blueboy
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This is why I can't take Empire people too seriously. There's too much stupid shite going on in this movie
This is Star Wars man.
Stupid shite (stuff that is not practical/unrealistic)is happening in almost every scene.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:46 am to CBandits82
If someone has seen, for example, Jurassic Park before seeing Empire, their view of Yoda is skewed in a way that wasn't possible in 1980. If you only had it's contemporaries to compare to re: FX, you would've seen it differently.
Younger movie buffs discount the amazing job Oz did with Yoda in bringing that puppet to life. Puppet Yoda from TPM was totally cringeworthy by comparison, so much so that it was replaced by CGI Yoda in later editions, and rightfully so...even though Empire puppet Yoda >>>>>>> revised CGI/TPM Yoda.
CGI fighting Yoda was cool. I'll give it that.
Younger movie buffs discount the amazing job Oz did with Yoda in bringing that puppet to life. Puppet Yoda from TPM was totally cringeworthy by comparison, so much so that it was replaced by CGI Yoda in later editions, and rightfully so...even though Empire puppet Yoda >>>>>>> revised CGI/TPM Yoda.
CGI fighting Yoda was cool. I'll give it that.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:29 am to CocomoLSU
Yeah, Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness are no match for Carrie Fisher and Billie D. Williams.
And the dialogue is undeniably better in Star Wars.
And the dialogue is undeniably better in Star Wars.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:01 pm to blueboy
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A large portion of Empire people weren't even alive when these movies were released - far more than Star Wars. I think a lot of it has to do with people being fed their opinions from message boards, constituting a kind of hive mind mentality.
I love horseshite like this, someone dares to disagree with you, so it must be because they can't think for themselves.
I saw Star Wars at Lakeside theater in Metairie in 1977 when it was just called Star Wars. No Episode IV, No "A New Hope", just Star Wars. It played until the fall of 1978. I saw Empire the day it was released in 1980 and Jedi the first week it was released in 83. Long before the prequels and message boards, I would have ranked them Empire, Star Wars, Jedi. Not because i was told that or because i "hated" Lucas" but because that's what i thought. I still think Empire and SW are the best of the series BY FAR. Really 1 and 1a.
I do admit I like Jedi a little less than i used to because now, with special editions and the prequels we can appreciate more that Lucas' overall vision was genius, but his ability to tell a great story diminished. Whether it was ego or the fact that with SW he was held in check by the studio and producers I do not know but it seems clear that the Jedi and the prequels, could have been a lot better if he'd left it to others, much like LSU's offense under Les Miles
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:08 pm to Feral
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but the Luke-Leia angle in both ANH and at the beginning of ESB tells me that Lucas didn't have the story fleshed out and forced in the bit about Leia being Luke's sister late in the game while either writing or shooting ESB.
maybe but
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In ANH, Luke had a huge crush on Leia
why would this prove anything? Luke would have no way of knowing that was his sister. Dude is 18 or so and lives on a farm in a freaking desert with his middle aged Aunt and Uncle, I didn't notice a lot of chicks out there, so i'm not surprised he'd have a crush on the first chick he saw close to his age
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:23 pm to Feral
quote:i totally agree. I do not thing Luke and leia were planned to be brother and sister in the beginning.
I'll probably get downvoted and corrected to oblivion by people who know more about the production than I, but the Luke-Leia angle in both ANH and at the beginning of ESB tells me that Lucas didn't have the story fleshed out and forced in the bit about Leia being Luke's sister late in the game while either writing or shooting ESB.
In ANH, Luke had a huge crush on Leia, talked about how beautiful she was, and obsessed over rescuing her. Even as they're escaping from the Death Star after the rescue, Han makes a comment about the possibility of a "girl like that and a guy like me" and Luke sort of jealously shoots it down.
When you take that into account with the kiss at the beginning of ESB, I feel like Lucas had an "aha!" moment during the late states of the production of ESB - too late to reshoot that scene - and forced it in.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:25 pm to CarRamrod
Very first princess he ever sees, beautiful, around his age, why in the world wouldn't he have a crush on her?
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:34 pm to blueboy
quote:for carrying a huge blaster to knock out a shield generator. they cant fly a Star Destroyer in, it would crash on the shield. Remember they had to shut the shield down to let the transports away and they would shot the ion cannon out to shutdown ships in its path. The AT/AT's had to land outside of the shield and trek in.
ow about, why is any of the shite on Hoth happening? Why do the walkers exist? That cannot be the most efficient way to get across the terrain.
Im sure the Speeders are used to tow machinery and stuff around. Small ships similar to fork lifts. thats the best i can think of.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:39 pm to dallastiger55
I have always liked Star Wars Holiday special. That will go down as the best star wars movie ever
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:14 pm to blueboy
They don't use imperial walkers for fast transit, they use them to destroy things and because they are well protected inside. I'd imagine Luke was one of the first pilots to ever figure out a major weekness and how to exploit it, similar to how Phillip II of Macedonia being one of the first men to figure out how to exploit and use the chariot system of the Persians against them.
But I think you're intentionally bringing up extremely minor things just to troll people. I mean why watch any action/sci fi movie if you really do ask those kinds of questions? I mean yeah Die Hard and Mission Impossible movies are unrealistic compared to other action films but that's why I don't take them too seriously, but I still enjoy them very much as very good and entertaining action movies.
But I think you're intentionally bringing up extremely minor things just to troll people. I mean why watch any action/sci fi movie if you really do ask those kinds of questions? I mean yeah Die Hard and Mission Impossible movies are unrealistic compared to other action films but that's why I don't take them too seriously, but I still enjoy them very much as very good and entertaining action movies.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 9:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Half teh board jumps up my arse every time this subject comes up, so don't lecture me about e-bullshite.
I love horseshite like this, someone dares to disagree with you, so it must be because they can't think for themselves.
And I didn't say all of them, but yes, in my long experience with arguing this issue, I have found that many more are young than ones who are Star Wars fans. There's definitely a significant element of what I said is involved.
Most of the people I knew at the time actually liked Jedi more than Empire because it had a conclusion, no soap opera elements or corny dialogue. I didn't start to encounter the "Empire is the best one" opinion until years later.
I'm not going to shy away from my opinion that Star Wars is by far the best one. The Director's Guild and American Film Institute agree with me. I have to add that part, by tradition.
The "enhanced" versions definitely change the overall perception, and Star Wars is painful to watch in some places, which ruins a lot of the subtlety of it. That's why I own the unmolested versions of all three.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:51 pm to blueboy
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Most of the people I knew at the time actually liked Jedi more than Empire because it had a conclusion, no soap opera elements or corny dialogue. I didn't start to encounter the "Empire is the best one" opinion until years later.
Same here. Jedi had Luke in full Jedi action and people liked Jabba and the Fett and Leia on a leash. And the Ewoks I think weren't hated so much initially.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:26 am to boxcarbarney
quote:I've always taken that to mean that he knew there was still good in Vader. The prequels support it, because Obi Wan knew Luke had a sister.
So either Lucas knew that Leia was Luke's sister all along, or he had something else in mind when he wrote this and changed his mind later.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 7:27 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:53 am to CocomoLSU
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I love Star Wars and always have, but anybody who says that the acting in any SW movie is "top notch" is borderline insane.
This, especially in ANH. Outside of Cushing and Guinness, the acting in that movie was absolutely horrible.
People talk about Hamill and Fisher, but Harrison Ford's acting is so bad in ANH.
Also, the whole Darth Vader as a super scary bad guy angle didn't really come about until Empire. He's relatively tame in ANH - Cushing is the real villain.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:01 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Because it's one of the very few SW movies where the characters acted like real people. Like people you might know, normal feelings and banter.
So basically a filler episode where nothing happens until the last 20 mins
I love the movie, but it is so over-hyped
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:12 am to jeff5891
Did any of the SW writers ever comment about the Luke-Leia thing and when it was decided they would be written as siblings? Because both them kissing in ESB and the reveal in ROTJ seemed awkward and forced.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:41 pm to south bama tiger
I seriously assumed this was common knowledge years ago, that Lucas didn't have Empire written before SW, and the Luke/Leia kiss (luckily, not intentionally presented in a very ambiguous context) was evidence of this...and the title change kinda gave it away, too.
Hell, Lucas's sketchy first draft/idea for EpV was more along the lines of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" although the author of the book worked from very vague Lucas notes and embellished the rest on his own: like a scene where Luke and Leia are laying in a bed together with some pretty strong post-coital imagery...No way Lucas lets that get published in 1978, with the twins reveal pending in Ep VI.
I think at one point Lucas flat-out lied and said it was all planned from jump, but it was a long time ago..and the truth was obvious, given the novel set post-Yavin had almost nothing to do with ESB.
Sure, George. You had something planned after the Death Star is destroyed involving Kyber crystals. It just took 40 years to even mention them in a movie.
Hell, Lucas's sketchy first draft/idea for EpV was more along the lines of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" although the author of the book worked from very vague Lucas notes and embellished the rest on his own: like a scene where Luke and Leia are laying in a bed together with some pretty strong post-coital imagery...No way Lucas lets that get published in 1978, with the twins reveal pending in Ep VI.
I think at one point Lucas flat-out lied and said it was all planned from jump, but it was a long time ago..and the truth was obvious, given the novel set post-Yavin had almost nothing to do with ESB.
Sure, George. You had something planned after the Death Star is destroyed involving Kyber crystals. It just took 40 years to even mention them in a movie.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:46 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Because it's one of the very few SW movies where the characters acted like real people. Like people you might know, normal feelings and banter.
I don't know what the Prequel people were...Half robots, a strain of human DNA that never originated from Earth? As if everyone in that Universe has Anhedonia.
TFA was better on that front but still detached, cheerless, somewhat loveless, lacking wit and vital human characteristics and traits to our normal degree.
So when ppl say great acting, it's because they're acting like us...How we talk and behave now...Fight, quarrel, be impetuous, grumpy, sarcastic, happy, cheerful, grateful, normal, scared, etc.
( Remember the trash compactor scene in a New Hope complaing about the smell and arguing about whose fault it is and blaming each other and how they whooped and cheered to be alive? If that's in any other SW movie but the originals, the characters would say stoicly and robotically say..."the machine has stopped, we must depart post haste."
And that's a welcomed shock.
You hit the nail on the head. For some reason In Bruges springs to mind as another particularly good example.
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