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Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:17 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
He looks like a Mega Man boss
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:21 pm to OMLandshark
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Those 3 films also had Superman, Batman, and the Joker, the two biggest superheroes and villain. No one knew much about Marvel's characters before they debuted or what their grand plan was.
Okay...but that still doesn't change the fact that the DCEU has made $2.3 billion in their first three films.
Get back to me at the end of the year when Wonder Woman and Justice League have both gone through their box office runs. Then we will talk about the status of the DCEU. As of right now, it's still too early to tell.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:24 pm to RollTide1987
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After three films, the DCEU has taken in around $2.3 billion worldwide.
BvS was supposed to make close to 1.5 billion dollars. It barely got past 900 million. It was a dud because word of mouth destroyed its chances at a billion.
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The MCU made half that with their first three films.
Context is important. That was when the superhero genre of films was just getting started and people were starting to tune in.
MCU's last three films made 2.4 billion and two of them was with fricking Doctor Strange and Ant Man.
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And that's with all three DCEU films being "rotten" on Rotten Tomatoes and all three MCU films being "fresh" on Rotten Tomatoes.
Word of mouth about how bad DCEU movies has been is damaging their earning potential and it will continue.
People want good superhero movies that honor the characters well, not the mindless bullshite that Snyder loves.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:26 pm to RollTide1987
The #1 movie in theatres right now is a Batman movie. But, hell, WB doesn't know what they're doing.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:26 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I bet they do. Mel Gibson makes good movies.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:31 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The #1 movie in theatres right now is a Batman movie. But, hell, WB doesn't know what they're doing.
They didn't let Zack Snyder infect it with his suckage. It's a shame they can't come to their senses for live action films with him.
He is literally the only problem with DCEU right now. He is the source that's making DCEU movies suck.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:33 pm to Sentrius
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It was a dud because word of mouth destroyed its chances at a billion.
So a film that made $900 million worldwide is a dud now? It's incredible the expectations people put on these films in terms of making money. It surely disappointed in that it didn't make it to $1 billion, but to call it a dud is being a little overdramatic.
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That was when the superhero genre of films was just getting started and people were starting to tune in.
Not true at all. The superhero genre had been going strong at the box office since X-Men debuted in the summer of 2000. It was the draw of superhero films that made Marvel decide to take the plunge and develop an inter-connected universe. That never happens without the success of the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises.
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Word of mouth about how bad DCEU movies has been is damaging their earning potential and it will continue.
Only if the movies continue critically disappoint. Hopefully Warner Bros. has learned their lesson and the next two films are better received.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:34 pm to Sentrius
WB owns DC comics, not just the movie rights. Unless they sell off DC as a whole (incredibly unlikely), they will continue to make the movies.
We can shite on the DCEU a ton, but WAG is absolutely knocking their stuff out of the park. Their TV shows are great. The actual comic books haven't had to be nearly as gimmicky as Marvel (minus the 2 recent reboots, but they get a pass because Flash Point and New 52 was amazing).
DC is not in a bad shape. They just need to make some better decisions. I don't think Mel is a good decision, but movie buffs really like him. At least he would make a serious movie for SS.
We can shite on the DCEU a ton, but WAG is absolutely knocking their stuff out of the park. Their TV shows are great. The actual comic books haven't had to be nearly as gimmicky as Marvel (minus the 2 recent reboots, but they get a pass because Flash Point and New 52 was amazing).
DC is not in a bad shape. They just need to make some better decisions. I don't think Mel is a good decision, but movie buffs really like him. At least he would make a serious movie for SS.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:40 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Would be smart I think.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 6:45 pm to RollTide1987
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So a film that made $900 million worldwide is a dud now?
Actually I just checked and it didn't even make 900 million. It stopped at 868 million.
Warner Bros was shooting to make well over a 1.2 billion dollars with it as they poured in close to 500 million in total budget expenses. It had to make well over 925 million at the box office to cover the budget. They failed and Warner Bros lost money on BvS.
BvS was a fricking failure.
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The superhero genre had been going strong at the box office since X-Men debuted in the summer of 2000. It was the draw of superhero films that made Marvel decide to take the plunge and develop an inter-connected universe. That never happens without the success of the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises.
X-Men and Spider Man were only a few films spread out over almost a decade. Sure the superhero genre was simmering with some success but it really took off with MCU's Iron Man.
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Only if the movies continue critically disappoint. Hopefully Warner Bros. has learned their lesson and the next two films are better received.
Zack Snyder is a dog that you can't teach any more tricks to and I honestly have no idea why you think that dog can change his spots and make/direct/produce movies that are anything close to what the MCU has in quality, story telling and visual aspects.
DCEU isn't going to get any better until that fat hack is gone.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:00 pm to Sentrius
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BvS was a fricking failure.
A disappointment? Yeah. A failure? Hell no. It's unexpectedly high Blu-ray sales really helped its final tally.
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Sure the superhero genre was simmering with some success but it really took off with MCU's Iron Man.
Spider-Man was the first film in box office history to make over $100 million in its opening weekend. And Iron Man was completely overshadowed by the release of The Dark Knight that same year. If there is any superhero film that cemented the genre's staying power, it was The Dark Knight.
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Zack Snyder is a dog that you can't teach any more tricks to
On this we agree.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:50 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The #1 movie in theatres right now is a Batman movie. But, hell, WB doesn't know what they're doing.
No, but Lord and Miller do. As does Bruce Timm. No one is bitching about their animation, because those are all great. In fact it makes it worse, because they keep hiring hacks like Snyder and a Goyer and don't put geniuses like those 3 in charge.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:51 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I bet Mel Gibson could actually direct the frick out of a Batman Franchise.
Imagine Batman as Braveheart or The Patriot
Imagine Batman as Braveheart or The Patriot
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:54 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:That's the problem. They don't have to make good movies. As long as it's a comic movie, it will almost certainly make money, thereby encouraging them to make more shitty movies.
Exactly. This board just loves to overreact. I didn't like SS, but that movie made $750 million at the box office. It's simply ridiculous to call it a sinking ship.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 7:55 pm to RollTide1987
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So a film that made $900 million worldwide is a dud now?
Yes it is, because they set their studio's budget around what they estimate the box office gross is going to be. That's about $500 million dollars down the tube on other projects they were planning on financing.
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Not true at all. The superhero genre had been going strong at the box office since X-Men debuted in the summer of 2000. It was the draw of superhero films that made Marvel decide to take the plunge and develop an inter-connected universe. That never happens without the success of the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises.
Those aren't on MCU levels though. They were really more fun summer action movies. I didn't have faith they could actually make Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man work in the same universe, but they pulled it off. It was a huge gamble on Marvel's part, and it really paid off.
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Only if the movies continue critically disappoint. Hopefully Warner Bros. has learned their lesson and the next two films are better received.
There's been nothing but bad news so far. They deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt, and every horrible bit of news that came out from the last 3 turned out to be true.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:03 pm to blueboy
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As long as it's a comic movie, it will almost certainly make money, thereby encouraging them to make more shitty movies.
If Batman v. Superman had been more well-received by fans and critics, it would have easily made over $1 billion. Money matters and Warner Bros. knows that the way you make more money is by making the movie a good one. They have already taken steps to attempt to make Justice League a good film. But with Zack Snyder directing, I fear its chances of being good are diminished considerably.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:07 pm to OMLandshark
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That's about $500 million dollars down the tube on other projects they were planning on financing.
And yet they upped the budget on Justice League and greenlighted two more DCEU films in the movie's aftermath. If there was disappointment in Dawn of Justice's BO returns, they sure as hell aren't showing it.
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They were really more fun summer action movies.
Are you referring to X-Men and Spider-Man? Because that's exactly what the MCU movies are. Pure, formulaic, popcorn entertainment.
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There's been nothing but bad news so far.
Not true. They're going to continue making these movies. So that's a plus. Sooner or later they'll get it right.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:15 pm to RollTide1987
Another reason I don't see this happening is because I think Mel would want to make an R rated film (which would be awesome, btw).
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:15 pm to RollTide1987
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And yet they upped the budget on Justice League and greenlighted two more DCEU films in the movie's aftermath. If there was disappointment in Dawn of Justice's BO returns, they sure as hell aren't showing it.
Yeah, but what movies did they cut to do that? I would be willing to bet the movies they cut would have been better than Justice League would be.
It's the last hurrah, and they have a losing hand, so they're going all in in hopes of it actually working, when really they should have left the table and started from scratch.
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Are you referring to X-Men and Spider-Man? Because that's exactly what the MCU movies are. Pure, formulaic, popcorn entertainment.
But the MCU is incredibly elaborate and structured. I don't think Spider-Man and X-Men had a concrete plan for even a sequel, nevertheless 10 films down the road.
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Not true. They're going to continue making these movies. So that's a plus. Sooner or later they'll get it right.
This is like saying a drunk driver will sooner or later start driving straight. No he won't. This is a dumpster fire, and we need to take the drivers out of the front seat and arrest them. We need people of competence, which has seemingly been no one, and anyone of competence is being scared off.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:17 pm
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