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Twist endings are mostly manipulative
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:02 pm
I'm not saying they always are but in general, they are just a coverup for poor story telling.
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:08 pm to athenslife101
Makes asinine comment.
Provides no examples.
Asks others to prove him wrong.
Down vote achieved.
Provides no examples.
Asks others to prove him wrong.
Down vote achieved.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:09 pm to athenslife101
All art is manipulative on some level and all art is also a cover-up for poor story telling. It speaks volumes that the greatest stories in human history are the ones with no pictures to pull at our emotional heart strings and manipulate us into feelings certain ways.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:11 pm to Displaced
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:11 pm to LucasP
But then on the other hand, there are some stories that are only visuals, and they too are manipulative and conceal bad story telling. One need look no further than ancient cave paintings or even Dan Brown to witness the power of manipulations and pictures and words. These are the tools that great men use to convey ideas and manipulate and story tell. Truly.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:14 pm to LucasP
But many times there are too few words, or too many manipulations, or not enough story telling, or perhaps too much? Must these be considered as well? I think the obvious answer is emphatically "yes!" For without this answer how can we truly know what is and isn't good manipulation or story telling?
Truly.
Truly.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 2:12 pm to athenslife101
I hate any OP that ends with "Discuss".
Posted on 5/23/17 at 2:17 pm to athenslife101
Twist endings manipulate by distracting the viewer from a bad story? Maybe sometimes but you could say the same for humor, special effects, gore, sex...
Posted on 5/23/17 at 2:47 pm to athenslife101
Great examples and evidence to back up your statement there.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:19 pm to athenslife101
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Twist endings are mostly manipulative
So what? We watch/listen/read to have our minds and emotions manipulated. Twists aren't inherently bad, they just need to be done well. When you watch a movie with a big twist that was well done like The 6th Sense or Book of Eli, as soon as you find out the twist you play back the entire movie in your mind and have your mind blown where each point in the movie this new information provides a completely different take on the scene.
You want to hide information from the audience, fine, come up with a good reason to hide that information from us and make sure the main character is in the dark along with us.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:27 pm to athenslife101
How would you describe any art, good or bad, if not manipulative? Manipulation is like the cornerstone of art. An artist manipulates words, sights, and sounds to make "art" and good art in turn manipulates the viewer into experiencing an emotion. I've mostly heard pretentious writing types who are jaded about their lackluster "writing careers" say this same type of thing for years about any plot driven story.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 4:27 pm
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