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Time Warner Wants to Gut Hulu?

Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:13 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:13 pm
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News surfaced today that Time Warner is currently considering purchasing 25% of Hulu. That doesn’t sound bad right? Maybe that means their network HBO would start putting content on Hulu, and Warner Bros. Pictures and Television would start adding their movies and TV shows to the streaming service? Nope. Instead, Time Warner wants to buy part of Hulu so they can stop the service from steaming network and premium shows the day after they air on television. shite just got real. The report comes from The Wall Street Journal (via Polygon), and here’s the relevant part of the Time Warner Hulu story:


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Time Warner believes that the presence of full, current seasons on Hulu—or anywhere else outside the bounds of pay-TV—is harmful to its owners because it contributes to people dropping their pay-TV subscriptions, or “cutting the cord.” In the discussions about taking a 25% equity stake in Hulu, Time Warner has told the site’s owners that it ultimately wants episodes from current seasons off the service, at least in their existing form, although that is not a condition for its investment, according to the people familiar with the discussions.




Time Warner looking at Hulu:



If it pushes me back to heavy Kodi usage, I would no longer feel bad. At least for TW content.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:17 pm to
When are these companies gonna learn to adapt instead of getting in the way of progress?
Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:20 pm to
Funny, because I just got finished typing up something in regards to this in another thread.


Yeah, these companies are still maintaining a stranglehold on the old ways instead of progressing with the new tech. The monopoly is breaking, and they are frightened. Meanwhile it's we the consumers who still get shafted.


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If it pushes me back to heavy Kodi usage, I would no longer feel bad. At least for TW content.


I don't feel bad in the least bit. The only ones KODI hurts are the ones who have been ramming us the last 30 years. I pay for Netflix, Amazon Prime and Hulu (though I don't like Hulu), and I will continue to do such. They are solid companies that are not screwing us over (yet)
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:22 pm to
frick that. frick Time Warner. I really hope Hulu doesnt sell. Time Warner will kill the business.

Damn this is the worst news ive heard in a while. Kind of ruined my day.

I hope Hulu does something. Hell just start a kickstarter, and try to raise the same amount as the offer or something. Please.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 3:25 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:24 pm to
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Damn this is the worst news ive heard in a while. Kind of ruined my day.


Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:26 pm to

Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:26 pm to
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:28 pm to
Seriously. I would be so pissed at this.

This isnt the first time Time Warner tried to buy a distribution system just to frick it into the ground and keep their dinosaur on life support another few years.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:32 pm to
If they do that hulu will see a huge decline in subscriptions. Including mine. You don't add a commercial free option and then gut what makes your service worth owning.
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Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:32 pm to
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Seriously. I would be so pissed at this.

This isnt the first time Time Warner tried to buy a distribution system just to frick it into the ground and keep their dinosaur on life support another few years.



frick them all. They will continue to do everything they can to maintain their power. It's all a scam
Posted by The Godfather
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:37 pm to
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When are these companies gonna learn to adapt instead of getting in the way of progress?

While I agree with you in principle, it's a business and Time Warner is not in the business of giving shite away for free. People will want to watch their shows and movies whether they are on Hulu for free or not, so why not cut that off if they can and make more money.

It's an unending cycle between companies and the internet streaming where people try to find/get the content for cheap/free, and then that gets shut down, only for another one to pop up later down the road. And the problem for production companies like this as opposed to, say, the music business, is that people are always gonna want to watch things for free and then that's it. With music, I feel like it's more plausible that someone could hear something for free and get turned onto an artist or genre, where they will eventually buy songs, buy albums, go to concerts, etc. So the industry still gets its share at some point. With shows and movies, however, once you've watched it, that's it; it's over. You just move onto the next one and want it for free too. Sure, there may be outlying cases where you could catch a current show and watch it for free, then eventually tune in once it airs live again, but I'd bet those pale in comparison to people watching older shows and things like that...and with movies it will almost universally be a "one and done" kinda thing (once you watch it, there isn't usually a desire to have to see it again).

I agree that there has to be a happy medium somewhere, and I'm not exactly sure where that is. So while the production companies definitely do need to learn to adapt and develop new business models (or at least tweak the old ones), I can't blame them for wanting to shut shite like this down.
Posted by GetCocky11
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:42 pm to
frick Time Warner and frick that bastard child of their's: Time Warner Cable.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:44 pm to
The government did make some Hulu specific rules when Comcast bought into them via the NBC acquisition:

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The companies have clashed repeatedly over Hulu for years; meanwhile, the third owner, NBCUniversal, has been a silent partner since being acquired by Comcast in early 2011. (At that time the government barred Comcast from being involved in Hulu’s business affairs, for fear that it would try to impose restrictions on Hulu to protect its core cable business.)

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Hopefully they'd step in again and either stop the acquisition or impose the same rules where they have to be a silent partner. I guess the question is how loud are 2 silent partners that want the same thing and may own a majority of the shares?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:51 pm to
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people are always gonna want to watch things for free and then that's it.



People are wiling to pay for what they watch, evident by Netflix/Hulu/Slingtv, but we are tired of paying for the boat load of shite we don't watch that have to be a part of our cable subscription.
I don't need 250+ channels. I'd be fine with 15.

I'm cutting the cord, b/c i'm essentially paying the $130/month for directv just so i can record shows and watch live sports. I haven't watched a live show outside of sports in probably 5 years. Well Netflix and Hulu solve the dvr problem and Slingtv solves the live sports. Most people have netflix anyway, so instead of paying the $130/month i'm paying $30/month and watching the same things i was before.
Literally the only thing that we watched that we can't watch now is the Walking Dead and Pelicans games(although i can find streams of that). And my wife just buys the walking dead episodes for $2 on Prime. So she pays about $50/year to watch the Walking Dead.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:54 pm to
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While I agree with you in principle, it's a business and Time Warner is not in the business of giving shite away for free. People will want to watch their shows and movies whether they are on Hulu for free or not, so why not cut that off if they can and make more money.


Because it's these kinds of tactics that continuously push people away. And it makes me have absolutely no sympathy for finding creative solutions.
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It's an unending cycle between companies and the internet streaming where people try to find/get the content for cheap/free, and then that gets shut down, only for another one to pop up later down the road. And the problem for production companies like this as opposed to, say, the music business, is that people are always gonna want to watch things for free and then that's it. With music, I feel like it's more plausible that someone could hear something for free and get turned onto an artist or genre, where they will eventually buy songs, buy albums, go to concerts, etc. So the industry still gets its share at some point. With shows and movies, however, once you've watched it, that's it; it's over. You just move onto the next one and want it for free too. Sure, there may be outlying cases where you could catch a current show and watch it for free, then eventually tune in once it airs live again, but I'd bet those pale in comparison to people watching older shows and things like that...and with movies it will almost universally be a "one and done" kinda thing (once you watch it, there isn't usually a desire to have to see it again).


But Hulu is perfectly legal, supported and I pay for it I understand their lack of choice in the matter is an issue, but I don't have cable, I am paying them for their service.

FWIW, I would 1) Pay more if needed 2) Be ok with more tiers and more commercials. I understand that marketing pays for services, it's ok. I honestly don't get the backlash.

But I like the ability to watch shows when I want, in the order that I want, in an efficient place like an app. I can't stand DVR's.

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I agree that there has to be a happy medium somewhere, and I'm not exactly sure where that is. So while the production companies definitely do need to learn to adapt and develop new business models (or at least tweak the old ones), I can't blame them for wanting to shut shite like this down.



Well the best reality is 3-4 of the best services out there offering everything. Just like some cities have the choice between Comcast and TW, it would be nice if there was more parity between Amazon, Hulu and Netflix. But there isn't so I have all three. I'd triple or quadruple payments to one if it created more of a standard.

I also really like Amazon's incorporation of "Channeled" content. Showtime, Shudder, etc. That's the smart way to do it.

Hulu was the most recent content.
Netflix has the best apps and originals
Amazon has the best ideas

Ugh.
Posted by The Godfather
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 3:56 pm to
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Literally the only thing that we watched that we can't watch now is the Walking Dead



Sling TV has AMC, so you should be able to watch walking dead
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:02 pm to
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While I agree with you in principle, it's a business and Time Warner is not in the business of giving shite away for free


Free? The frick? I pay Hulu
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:02 pm to
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Because it's these kinds of tactics that continuously push people away. And it makes me have absolutely no sympathy for finding creative solutions.

Oh absolutely.

And I have very little sympathy for cable companies as well. If they're smart they'll see what happened to companies like Blockbuster and choose to adapt rather than stick their guns and be so fricking hardheaded that their businesses crumble. Time will tell if they're smart enough to do that though.
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But Hulu is perfectly legal, supported and I pay for it I understand their lack of choice in the matter is an issue, but I don't have cable, I am paying them for their service.

No doubt. And I am not faulting Hulu at all here. But ultimately, it's not Hulu's content, so when the owner of said content comes along and wants to stop it, he can (and will, apparently). And that sucks for Hulu.
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FWIW, I would 1) Pay more if needed 2) Be ok with more tiers and more commercials. I understand that marketing pays for services, it's ok. I honestly don't get the backlash.

But I like the ability to watch shows when I want, in the order that I want, in an efficient place like an app. I can't stand DVR's.

But the growing trend seems to be the opposite of how you feel. It seems to me that people want things for less and less money (ultimately free), and they also don't want to be bothered with advertising. Hell, I get pissed when I "have to" watch an ad on things like youtube most of the time.

I think it will ultimately fall into production companies having their own apps and reaching the consumers directly that way. Most of them now seem to use some sort of outlet in the form of an existing company/app, like Netflix, Prime, Hulu, etc. But eventually what happens...they see those companies doing really well and then when it comes time to renegotiate a deal, they jack up the prices for their content. It sucks to say, but it seems like the power will be in the content owners' hands for the time being, because they have the supply to everyone else's demand.

And I am damn interested to know why in the hell you "can't stand DVRs." That seems like an awfully weird thing to hate.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14514 posts
Posted on 2/4/16 at 4:09 pm to
Isn't Hulu currently owned by Fox and NBC?

Eta: Forgot about Disney/ABC.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 4:14 pm
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