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re: The Official Comic Book Hero Tournament Round II (Winners 3rd Post Pg.1)
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:33 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:33 pm to Scruffy
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Now, I'm starting to consider Deadpool, but I'm still not sure unless someone can tell me if his teleporter is usable in combat or is just an escape device.
I think it is on his belt to be used whenever he deems fit. He also can cloak himself - even from Spiderman
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:33 pm to bigpetedatiga
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He is technically not a mutant.
Yeah, I thought about that as soon as I hit submit. Whatever, the point still stands.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:37 pm to Scruffy
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Unless Deadpool really has the ability to teleport Nightcrawler style behind his opponent (in the middle of the combat) this one may be over before it starts.
Like Cable, Deadpool can teleport at will by pressing a button on his belt and saying "bodyslide."
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:46 pm to bigpetedatiga
quote:
Match #1
place #1: Iron-Man
place #2: Green Latern (Hal Jordan)
LOL. Poor Iron Man.
Match #2
place #1: Ms. Marvel
place #2: Captain Atom
Favorable Matchup for Ms. Marvel, maybe the last standing female when all is said and done.
Match #3
place #1: Captain America
place #2: Spider-Man
Cap is a better fighter, more determined, smarter, more durable. Notice that Spider-Man's main villains are all some form of crazy/inconsistent lunatics, because that's what he matches up best again being so young and unfocused. Cap would pound him into the ground based on sheer tactical execution alone.
Match #4
place #1: Blue Bettle (Jamie Reyes)
place #2: Jean Grey
Match #5
place #1: Cable
place #2: Wonder Woman
TOUGH matchup, maybe best of the round and I voted against WW before. I just think it's a bad matchup for Cable.
Match #6
place #1: Hellboy
place #2: Psylocke
Match #7
place #1: Hulk (Planet Hulk)
place #2: Vamirella
Match #8
place #1: Dr. Strange
place #2: Thor
I'd take Strange over most in this tournament actually, but Thor...bad matchup.
Match #9
place #1: Flash (Barry Allen)
place #2: Dr. Fate
Match #10
place #1: Iceman
place #2: Superman
Here they come...
Match #11
place #1: Cyclops
place #2: Shazam
I have to think about this one, going Cyclops for now.
Match #12
place #1: Firestorm
place #2: Sara Pezzini (Witchblade)
Match #13
place #1: Black Bolt
place #2: Deadpool
Another lol moment. Are we really arguing this one? Superman vs. Iceman is the better argument. Black Bolt would obliterate Deadpool.
Match #14
place #1: Red Tornado
place #2: Power Girl
Match #15
place #1: Zatana
place #2: Raven
Match #16
place #1: Spawn
place #2: Ghost Rider
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:47 pm to bigpetedatiga
edited to make choices final below
lantern over iron man
marvel over atom
spidey over captain america
jean grey over blue beetle
hellboy over psychlocke
hulk over vampirella
thor over dr strange
flash over dr fate
superman over iceman
shazam over cyclops
firestorm over witchblade
black bolt over deadpool
power girl over red tornado
raven over zatanna
wonder woman over cable
ghost rider over spawn
lantern over iron man
marvel over atom
spidey over captain america
jean grey over blue beetle
hellboy over psychlocke
hulk over vampirella
thor over dr strange
flash over dr fate
superman over iceman
shazam over cyclops
firestorm over witchblade
black bolt over deadpool
power girl over red tornado
raven over zatanna
wonder woman over cable
ghost rider over spawn
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:48 pm to imjustafatkid
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I'm pretty dissapointed with the list of heroes remaining.
Agreed. I think the matchips were just really bad from the beginning so we lost A LOT of good discussion because there were too many "easy picks."
Batman vs. Raven...and boom we're done. We could have had Batman vs. Nightwing, or Batman vs. Captain America, or Batman vs. Hawkeye, etc. or some combination of those matchups through the first 3 rounds.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:49 pm to molsusports
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spidey over captain america
What's up with the Spidey love?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:51 pm to Freauxzen
he's physically superior in every way and captain america has no magical powers
it's like arguing spiderman could beat superman
it's like arguing spiderman could beat superman
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:57 pm to LoveThatMoney
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because Spidey would win.
Nope.
quote:
Superior reflexes,
By a smidgen. Maybe.
quote:
faster,
Eh, overrated unless you're Flash.
quote:
more evasive,
Read:Smaller
quote:
stronger,
Push.
quote:
as good a defense,
Not even close.
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and a pretty good hand-to-hand combatant in his own right.
Naaa. He's a scrapper. Get in, get out, use webs, etc. He's not a hand to hand fighter.
I see it like this. Spider-Man is cocky. Extremely. It's why he almost ALWAYS faces emotionally unbalanced people (Venom, Ock, Vulture...) I mean look at his stable of villains, a crazy Geriatric, a Crazy Criminal, a Crazy Doctor, A Crazy Survivorman, Another Crazy Prisoner, A Crazy Jealous guy, etc. His attitude can win him those fights. THey make serious mistakes and ALWAYS underestimate Spider-Man because they're all lunatics. So that just makes his ego explode.
Put him against someone smarter, someone who rarely makes mistakes, someone who doesn't crack because of emotional imbalance, and none of his flashiness is going to work. He might get some shots in, but Cap can take shots from Spider-Man, that's nothing. And as soon as Spidey actually gets hit a few times, fight over. Spider-Man would fold.
In terms of physicality, they're extremely similar. Cap is tougher, a little less strong, and more battle tested. Spider-Man is more agile, and more of a risk taker. Cap would take serious advantage of that. Shield vs. Web, I'm going Shield.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:05 pm to Freauxzen
you sound like a batman fan
spiderman is unquestionably stronger in the comics and much faster. you know how we know that? because he can react fast enough (with the aid of his spider sense) at point blank range to dodge a hail of machine gun fire. he can throw or catch cars at people for pete's sake.
this is a no holds barred fight fwiw. no fair assuming he won't fight hard just because you don't like the character.
and spider man is definitely a hand to hand fighter most of the time. most of his opponents have to be knocked out because a web alone only works on street toughs with no real powers (ok, that's captain america really so maybe he just webs him up and the fight is over)
spiderman is unquestionably stronger in the comics and much faster. you know how we know that? because he can react fast enough (with the aid of his spider sense) at point blank range to dodge a hail of machine gun fire. he can throw or catch cars at people for pete's sake.
this is a no holds barred fight fwiw. no fair assuming he won't fight hard just because you don't like the character.
and spider man is definitely a hand to hand fighter most of the time. most of his opponents have to be knocked out because a web alone only works on street toughs with no real powers (ok, that's captain america really so maybe he just webs him up and the fight is over)
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:09 pm to molsusports
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you sound like a batman fan
spiderman is unquestionably stronger in the comics and much faster. you know how we know that? because he can react fast enough (with the aid of his spider sense) at point blank range to dodge a hail of machine gun fire. he can throw or catch cars at people for pete's sake.
this is a no holds barred fight fwiw. no fair assuming he won't fight hard just because you don't like the character.
and spider man is definitely a hand to hand fighter most of the time. most of his opponents have to be knocked out because a web alone only works on street toughs with no real powers (ok, that's captain america really so maybe he just webs him up and the fight is over)
Amazing Spider-Man 534:
quote:
A huge battle ensues, and Spider-Man is picked by Captain America. The fight is intense, Spider-Man steadily losing ground, until he webs down Captain America's shield, only to be immediately bludgeoned. Spider-Man draws back, putting some distance between the two. His webs are ineffective, the Captain easily avoiding them. Spider-Man dives in, letting his new suit's extra pincer arms come out, and they successfully slash at Captain America's face. The two wait, a silence takes over, but it is soon devastated by a distant boom, where the main battle is taking place.
Spider-Man looks back, to see Captain America gone. Dumbfounded, he just stands for a while, before a few teenagers run over, and try to peel away Spider-Man's web to get to Captain America's shield. Spider-Man scares them away, then webs the shield to a wall, a few stories up, saying that nobody should touch that shield, nobody but the Captain.
It isn't even close to clear cut. If anything it is a stalemate. Which means my points are valid.
Spider Sense:
No help.
Physicality:
Equals
And when it comes to two relatively equal fighters, always bet on the tactically sound and more tested one.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:12 pm to Freauxzen
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Put him against someone smarter, someone who rarely makes mistakes, someone who doesn't crack because of emotional imbalance, and none of his flashiness is going to work. He might get some shots in, but Cap can take shots from Spider-Man, that's nothing. And as soon as Spidey actually gets hit a few times, fight over. Spider-Man would fold.
In terms of physicality, they're extremely similar. Cap is tougher, a little less strong, and more battle tested. Spider-Man is more agile, and more of a risk taker. Cap would take serious advantage of that. Shield vs. Web, I'm going Shield.
This is awfully presumptuous. But allow me to make another presumption based on our little tournament here:
Every hero knows that they are in this tournament, correct? So every hero knows that the rules are to the death and that the person squaring off against them has been hand selected by a legitimate team of prognosticators and critics (us) to fight in this tournament, right? Given these parameters, you think Spidey underestimates Cap? Seriously?
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Superior reflexes,
By a smidgen. Maybe.
By a lot.
Here are their Marvel pages. The official ratings are so far in Spidey's favor it's ridiculous:
Spider-Man
Captain America
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:13 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Match #1
place #1:
place #2: Green Latern (Hal Jordan)
Match #2
place #1: Ms. Marvel
place #2:
Match #3
place #1:
place #2: Spider-Man
Match #4
place #1:
place #2: Jean Grey
Match #5
place #1:
place #2: Wonder Woman
Match #6
place #1: Hellboy
place #2:
Match #7
place #1: Hulk (Planet Hulk)
place #2:
Match #8
place #1:
place #2: Thor
Match #9
place #1: Flash (Barry Allen)
place #2:
Match #10
place #1:
place #2: Superman
Match #11
place #1: Cyclops
place #2:
Match #12
place #1: Firestorm
place #2:
Match #13
place #1:
place #2: Deadpool
Match #14
place #1:
place #2: Power Girl
Match #15
place #1: Zatanna
place #2:
Match #16
place #1:
place #2: Ghost Rider
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:13 pm to Freauxzen
I'm not going to search through the comic book mythology for counterpoints because I don't care. If you go by the established powers both characters have it isn't competitive. If you want to argue Captain America is just tougher or superior as a "tactician" when this would be a street fight against a stronger and faster opponent then I view that as a batman will win no matter what argument.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:16 pm to molsusports
I voted Spider-Man, but I don't think its out of the question that Cap wins. I think its a good match up.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:17 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
This is awfully presumptuous. But allow me to make another presumption based on our little tournament here:
Every hero knows that they are in this tournament, correct? So every hero knows that the rules are to the death and that the person squaring off against them has been hand selected by a legitimate team of prognosticators and critics (us) to fight in this tournament, right? Given these parameters, you think Spidey underestimates Cap? Seriously?
See above, that was Civil War man. Huge things at stake.
quote:
By a lot.
Here are their Marvel pages. The official ratings are so far in Spidey's favor it's ridiculous:
Spider-Man
Captain America
One more notch in strength and 2 more notches in speed isn't really "by a lot." Like I said, they are fairly similar. And Cap is the better fighter...by a lot if that really is "a lot."
If that's your logic, then should all fights be determined based on completely subjective "Marvel Power Ratings?" Then why have a tournament?
With 2 extremely similar heroes I brought some proof to how the fight would go, and HAS gone.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:18 pm to molsusports
quote:
I'm not going to search through the comic book mythology for counterpoints because I don't care. If you go by the established powers both characters have it isn't competitive. If you want to argue Captain America is just tougher or superior as a "tactician" when this would be a street fight against a stronger and faster opponent then I view that as a batman will win no matter what argument.
I think one of the main points being forgotten about this Cap vs Spidey matchup is that Peter Parker is more intelligent than Rogers. Sure, Cap may have more heart or grit or whatever, but the combination of superior intellect, superior reflexes, and equal (if not greater) strength, I don't see how Spidey can lose.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:19 pm to molsusports
quote:
I'm not going to search through the comic book mythology for counterpoints because I don't care. If you go by the established powers both characters have it isn't competitive.
Look at LovetheMOney's comic ratings, they are EXTREMELY similar in "Power Ratings." There's no clear cut about it.
quote:
If you want to argue Captain America is just tougher or superior as a "tactician" when this would be a street fight against a stronger and faster opponent then I view that as a batman will win no matter what argument.
So no one can argue in favor of a hero? Or can talk about a hero's strengths or the eventuality of the match?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:19 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
One more notch in strength and 2 more notches in speed isn't really "by a lot." Like I said, they are fairly similar. And Cap is the better fighter...by a lot if that really is "a lot."
If that's your logic, then should all fights be determined based on completely subjective "Marvel Power Ratings?" Then why have a tournament?
With 2 extremely similar heroes I brought some proof to how the fight would go, and HAS gone.
2 bars on a scale of 1 to 7? That's a lot, bud. And I'm not going based on that alone, I'm merely using it to discount your discount of my argument that Spidey is more evasive, because he is.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:19 pm to Master of Sinanju
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I voted Spider-Man, but I don't think its out of the question that Cap wins. I think its a good match up.
its about as good of a matchup as either one can get with no batman in the tournament. most superheros and villains have much more ridiculous powers.
spiderman will undoubtedly get crushed in the next round unless the winter soldier > latest spiderman movie issue ruins the current vote
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