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Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:00 pm to
Flashpoint Barry makes the most sense. A guy who's had everything taken away from him. For all we know FPB's iris died early on and he found this Barry and killed iris to put him through the same agony he felt.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:05 pm to
So they named a coffee drink after murderer....
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:09 pm to
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Bhe's the reason iris dies, he kills her.


It's a never ending cycle. He says as much earlier in the season when he's speaking through Julian. Something to the effect of "I'm sorry you have to die Iris, but it's either me or you." There is no Savitar if there's an Iris.
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

Flashpoint Barry makes the most sense.


Yep plus present flash changed the path of future flash last episode.

Has to be flashpoint Barry
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:12 pm to
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Yep plus present flash changed the path of future flash last episode. Has to be flashpoint Barry


I hope you're right. I really don't want to have to watch supergirl. The problem though is savitar seems to have lived through the specific moments of tonight's episode.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 10:13 pm
Posted by GEAUXLSUFAN401
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:13 pm to
This video makes sense. Although I'm not convinced they got the right Barry, but the scenes compiled are perfect. Notice Future Barry said "you will make time remnants and he will kill all of them, MOSTLY" (or something close).

LINK
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:38 pm to
Very good video
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:44 pm to
Killer frost is hot.

What reason would this timeline Barry have to hurt the current team? Savitar would have to be created from something. Seeing Savitar kill iris doesn't make sense because Barry would have to start that loop from somewhere. It would make sense that Flashpoint Barry would because he lost everything but this episode insinuates that it's this timeline. I think they don't want you to think about it too much. Just like the slow as snail Barry who can't catch a flying ship but can stop a projectile shot from only 50 ft away.
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:48 pm to
Even if they are going to say it's a loop of savitar created by savitar killing Iris, it's possible for the on-ramp to the loop being some other event. Someone else killed iris originally, creating savitar. Then he returns to torment the team and do it himself. Doesn't make nearly as much sense as flashpoint Barry but it's possible.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
9764 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:19 am to
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What reason would this timeline Barry have to hurt the current team? Savitar would have to be created from something. Seeing Savitar kill iris doesn't make sense because Barry would have to start that loop from somewhere.


I don't know of a show that handles time travel worse than The Flash. It's like they invent new rules every time he does it.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:24 am to
quote:

Stupid Barry. Savatar said

"I am the future Flash"



yeah..i was like WTF future flash is emo barry.

still want to know what happened to his face.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:29 am to
This is a result of a different timeline when Iris was a trashy abusive wife and hit him with a hot iron. This caused the first loop so he went on a killing spree of all time remnant Iris's. In Savitar's mind, he is the hero. He said so himself. He is trying to get rid of Iris because she also becomes fat and crazy.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:30 am
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22376 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:48 am to
This is going to be an awkward conversation for Barry and Iris/Joe next episode.

This has to be Flashpoint Barry bc it's the culmination of everything Barry set in motion at the end of last season. I mean it perfectly wraps up the arc of the season.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:51 am
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 am to
Well when iris and Joe find out that it's Barry that kills her, they decide to team up and betray Barry to his death, leading to him plotting revenge on Iris, leading to their betrayal, etc?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:52 am to
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What reason would this timeline Barry have to hurt the current team?


Well, we've seen an Earth with an evil Vibe and Firestorm. The infinite multiverse/future theory allows for an Earth with an evil Team Flash, or an Iris and Team Flash that do something so horrible that it drives Barry to becoming Savatar. From his perspective, he could be stopping the end of the world.
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:55 am to
quote:

This has to be Flashpoint Barry bc it's the culmination of everything Barry set in motion at the end of last season. I mean it perfectly wraps up the arc of the season.


I agree completely but that doesn't fit with the context of the last episode. He acted like he'd lived these very events, which flashpoint Barry had not.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22164 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:56 am to
But this is the future flash of right now. He is living in the same moments. He is not from another Earth.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22376 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:00 am to
So theoretically the future Barry that we saw last week becomes Savitar even though he successfully caught "himself" with the help of the lady from this week. This just gives me a headache.

I just think there is another explanation as to how Savitar knew what Barry was going to say.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80152 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:01 am to
What if Iris' death caused Barry's psyche to fragment into 2 people?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36050 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:02 am to
quote:

But this is the future flash of right now. He is living in the same moments. He is not from another Earth.
That's why I said Infinite Earths/Future Theory. There are an infinite number of futures. Barry is zoning in on the one where Iris is murdered.
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