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The Complicated Legacy of Batman Begins
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:28 pm
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Ten years after Christopher Nolan reinvented the superhero movie, studios are trying to emulate its darker mood without seizing on what really makes it special.
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[T]his is the complicated legacy of Batman Begins: Nolan’s film allowed that superhero franchises could exist with one foot in the real world, and inspired legions of imitators to do the same. Some, like the James Bond franchise rebooted around Daniel Craig, followed that thread beautifully. But others seemed to assume that it was a cynical sense of bleakness that made Batman Begins special. The reality, as it turns out, is much more complex, and much more indebted to Nolan’s unique vision.
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Warner Brothers is currently preparing a huge slate of similar comic-book adaptations along Nolanesque lines, but trying to emulate Batman Begins' success just by adopting its darker mood won’t work. So much of what makes the movie unique is Nolan himself, and his meticulous attention to detail. . . Batman Begins was able to justify such detail because it didn’t have to worry about the future—Warner Bros.’s intention wasn’t to plan out a series of sequels and spinoffs, but to re-invest audiences in a brand that had gone awry, giving Nolan the chance to re-create the character from the ground up. . . Warner Bros. picking Nolan to revitalize Batman was hailed as a risky gambit, and it succeeded largely because the director was granted free rein to create a world free of franchise possibilities or other heroes lurking on the sidelines. His Batman was a bizarre apparition in a recognizably human world of cops and gangsters who’d never contended with a masked hero before. As simple as that sounds, there may never be a superhero film created along those lines again.
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"The filmmakers who are tackling these [WB] properties are making great movies about superheroes; they aren't making superhero movies," the Warner Bros. president, Greg Silverman, told The Hollywood Reporter.
It's a nice sentiment (and a jab at the visual sameness of the Marvel franchise), but it might only work when the intention is just to make a one-off film. Even Nolan's The Dark Knight, which was a sequel to Batman Begins, was made with no specific future in mind (by all reports, the director had to be heavily coaxed back to even make a third entry). Zack Snyder's Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice is cursed with that unwieldy title because it has to bring Batman into Superman's world and lay the groundwork for the Justice League by introducing several other heroes, including Wonder Woman and Aquaman. In comparison, Batman Begins has but one simple task: get the audience on board with its main character. It's a triumph the superhero films of 2015 are seeking to repeat, but amidst Nolan's success, the simplicity of his original pitch has been forgotten.
I agree with a lot of what is written here. I'll never forget what it was like seeing it in theaters for the first time. We may never see another superhero movie quite like BB.
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It was a revolution.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:33 pm to Patrick_Bateman
I remember thinking, "I wish Bill Finger and Bob Kane would have lived to see this."
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:36 pm to Michael T. Tiger
quote:Boned Marilyn Monroe before she was famous. Dude was a legend.
Bob Kane
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:40 pm to Patrick_Bateman
being honest. When I saw Batman Begins in the theaters I found parts of it too long and boring.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:50 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Always been my favorite film of Nolan's trilogy.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:50 pm to Napoleon
I didn't know it had a legacy. I was super hyped for it and found it corny and forgettable.
If any of those movies meant anything it was Dark Knight.
If any of those movies meant anything it was Dark Knight.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:02 pm to JombieZombie
quote:It's style and feel were the genesis of the darker, edgier approach to action films.
I didn't know it had a legacy. I was super hyped for it and found it corny and forgettable.
Which is wrong. I think SFP and I discussed this once, and IMO The Bourne Identity was the first movie to do this.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:06 pm to blueboy
In a way, it's similar to the epoch-defining comic book Watchmen. Watchmen brilliantly deconstructed the form, and then everyone seemed to draw the wrong lessons from it and its popularity, using it as the template to make everything "darker" and "edgier". And while Watchmen was both of these things, that's not what made it so great.
It's fitting that Snyder adapted Watchmen for film, and clearly read and loved the comic while also missing the point and almost all of the subtext. He appears to be doing the same thing with Nolan's Batman trilogy.
It's fitting that Snyder adapted Watchmen for film, and clearly read and loved the comic while also missing the point and almost all of the subtext. He appears to be doing the same thing with Nolan's Batman trilogy.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:20 pm to JombieZombie
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I didn't know it had a legacy.
You must not have watched any superhero movies since, like, 2005.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:23 pm to Baloo
I liked watchmen in theaters and liked it, thought the giant blue dick was funny.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:24 pm to blueboy
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It's style and feel were the genesis of the darker, edgier approach to action films.
Maybe at the aesthetic level, but the movie itself is anything but dark and edgy. It just thinks it is.
Watchmen is a brilliant graphic novel. It's as close as a comic can get to being a legit piece of important literature. The characters aren't just a satire of superhero archetypes, they each deal with their own sense of shattered identity and humanity. It's both revolting and strangely identifiable. It's not a superhero story, it's a nihilistic condemnation on the inexorable nature of mankind, and it does it in brutal fashion.
Snyder failed the film because he attempted to simply make the book. It's not its own entity, it's just a companion piece to the book. I'm okay with that in a way, but he played it safe and avoided pissing off fans.
This post was edited on 6/11/15 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:26 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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You must not have watched any superhero movies since, like, 2005.
Meh, comic book movies weren't dead in 2005.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:26 pm to Baloo
quote:I liked Watchmen, but I really have no desire to see BM v. SM.
He appears to be doing the same thing with Nolan's Batman trilogy.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:26 pm to Patrick_Bateman
BB is pretty great, but this is spot on. This gets lost in the terrible Marvel vs. DC threads, but the point is correct. Zack Snyder is cheapening the experience by going for "darker," but not really earning it.
He doesn't get it.
He doesn't get it.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:27 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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You must not have watched any superhero movies since, like, 2005.
The flood of grimdark started after tdk, and again, if any of those films has a 'legacy' it's tdk.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:34 pm to Freauxzen
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Marvel vs. DC threads,
Yeah, I don't dislike DC properties, I dislike Zach Snyder. He's dragging down a whole company.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:34 pm to Patrick_Bateman
I can watch BB over and over more so than any of the others. TDK is close second. The last one is a distant 3rd IMO.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:43 pm to Titus Pullo
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The last one is a distant 3rd IMO.
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