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re: The 10 Most Disappointing Superhero Films all of time(article)

Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:48 pm to
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Spawn(New Line/WB)


Movie could of really been good, but you had to go to a more darker side, like Sin City.
Posted by timbo
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 5:50 pm to
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It was so underwhelming from an action standpoint, and I was shocked to see that the budget was over 200 mil.


Some of that $200 million came from the Superman movies they tried to make between the Nic Cage/Tim Burton one that crashed in the mid-90s and Superman Returns. Like there was a Batman vs. Superman that would have starred Jude Law as Superman, and the J.J. Abrams movie where Lex Luthor would have been from Krypton. That would have been horrible -- Ashton Kutcher as Superman with Brett Ratner or McG directing.


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Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:31 pm to
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We really don't know if Superman and Lois "killed" Zod and Co. They all fall into the mist and out of sight.

So.... There's a possibility that he flew down into the hole, and rescued them all?

Who now, is being disingenuous?
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And they all fell with comedic effect to boot.

No disagreement here. It was pretty funny when he KILLED those powerless aliens.

Which did you think was funnier.... When he took away Zod's powers, and threw him down a pit, or when he returned to that diner to beat the shite out of that a-hole that beat up a powerless Clark Kent?
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That's a huge difference from watching Superman break Zod's neck in Man of Steel.

No shite. Zod in MoS still had powers, and was on the verge of killing more innocent people.

Regardless, the "Superman doesn't kill" argument is completely flawed in every way, because the statement itself in untrue.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 6:33 pm
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:59 pm to
Batman and Robin and Catwoman are at the top of the list! Two of the worst superhero movies evah! lol

just tuurriblle! oh, and I thought Spawn was entertaining!
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 7:00 pm
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:03 pm to
Glad none of those ideals came true for Superman! lol They all sound awful! Nic cage as Superman and Jude Law, also. lol
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 7:05 pm
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:04 pm to
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by Fewer Kilometers
Fail on the original link for:

Choosing Man of Steel as the franchise loser over Superman Returns or Superman IV

Choosing Dark Knight Rises over Batman & Robin

Putting a few watchable films on the list in place of Catwoman, Elektra, and Ghost Rider II.



All of this. Catwoman is an abomination, and I refuse to subjects self to Electra or Daredevil. The old Superman movies were cheesy and would be scorned today, people just think they were good bc nostalgia. The 90s Batmans were a cheesy joke. And it's strange that Man of Steel is scorned for being too violent but Avengers 2 sucks bc Ultron didn't kill enough people.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:07 pm to
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I'll say this. As a non-comic book fan, I loved the Wolverine origins movie. I thought it was great.

I get the hate on it though, considering the other characters in it I guess. But as someone unfamiliar with any of the characters in it (like Gambit and Deadpool, as mentioned), I thought it was cool.

I liked Origins for a while. Gambit was well cast. I didn't like the goofy crap they did with Deadpool. Wolverine has enough legit story lines and enemies that there's no need to invent something stupid.
Posted by ThoseGuys
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:48 pm to
To argue that the wanton destruction in Man of Steel isn't out of character is crazy.

I know Superman has "killed". Death of Superman is on my wall (I wish I could post a pic of my wall. I've got 26 of my favorites framed and hung up). I own 250+ comics. But arguing that killing is a part of Superman is like saying Batman uses guns. Yes, he has once. But that was an extreme case.

I could accept Superman feeling like he has no choice but to put down Zod. But after that much lost of life? I really feel like pages of Age of Ultron and Man of Steel got mixed up. Superman should have did everything to save as many people as possible and Ultron should have had massive destruction. Its almost like Whedon went out of his way to mock Man of Steel with that.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:08 pm to
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And it's strange that Man of Steel is scorned for being too violent but Avengers 2 sucks bc Ultron didn't kill enough people.


It's all in context. Man of Steel has somewhat of a happy ending where Superman and Lois Lane make out on the corpses of hundreds of thousands and Superman taunts the army without remorse whenever they try to rightfully track him with drones. If Superman had any decency, he'd be a balled up mess at that point on what he indirectly caused instead of being a smart arse.

Ultron though is a rage filled genocidal monster who fricking loathes the Avengers and seeks to destroy everything they stand for. He's a much darker and more fricked up antagonist than Zod is. The world at large didn't know about the existence of Ultron until the aftermath of the film. From what the trailers imply, Ultron massacres the innocents by the millions. I think if the film was actually allowed to have balls, Ultron would murder as many people as possible until everyone completely turned against the Avengers, and then he'd initiate total genocide. Plus Ultron is the perfect set-up to Civil War. The fact that he destroyed an Eastern European city with minimal casualties that no one cares about or has ever heard of makes him an utterly pointless villain. At least have the balls to wipe out a city like Rome or Athens in the finale.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Its almost like Whedon went out of his way to mock Man of Steel with that.



I really believe Whedon wanted to make Ultron truly evil like in the comics, but Disney ultimately stepped in and got their way. I not only found those scenes of AOU to be freaking ridiculous, but also quite distracting. I have no doubt that the criticisms of MOS had an effect on AOU.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:15 pm to
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Superman should have did everything to save as many people as possible and Ultron should have had massive destruction. Its almost like Whedon went out of his way to mock Man of Steel with that.


I really don't blame Whedon for how "Age of Ultron" turned out. It's clearly Disney/Mavel being control freaks, which also led to Edgar Wright leaving Ant-Man. They clearly got much of the character right for Ultron, he just didn't murder people by the thousands and Whedon took every opportunity given to him to show how ruthless Ultron could be. Listening to Whedon's older interviews about Ultron before he started filming it shows that he had every indication to make him a mass murdering psychopath. I just think when Whedon told Disney that Ultron was going to wipe out entire cities at a time and murder women and children, they told him that he couldn't do that, which of course neuters the character.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 8:19 pm
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:30 pm to
I felt like DFOP went out of it's way to villify Nixon(like he didn't have enough already) and make JFK a mutant hero.

Also, the bit about Magneto trying to curve the bullet was
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:34 pm to
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I felt like DFOP went out of it's way to villify Nixon(like he didn't have enough already) and make JFK a mutant hero.

Also, the bit about Magneto trying to curve the bullet was



Yeah, I really liked the fact that Magneto killed Kennedy.... but they just had to ruin that. That was just stupid. Just say Magneto killed Kennedy with a "magic bullet". It completely makes sense for Magneto to do that, and turning Kennedy into a mutant is just stupid.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:38 pm to
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X-Men Origins:Wolverine


Still one of the funner Xbox games I played.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:00 pm to
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We really don't know if Superman and Lois "killed" Zod and Co. They all fall into the mist and out of sight.
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So.... There's a possibility that he flew down into the hole, and rescued them all?

Who now, is being disingenuous?
We don't know how deep the "pits" were. We're talking about a semi-serious film with characters like Otis and Miss Tessmacher. To use a movie like that as an example of Superman being a killer is ridiculous. Especially when you have examples from the comic that are of much better use.

You're using the Reeve film as a trap to catch people that like his films but have a problem with Man of Steel. Just stick to the facts instead of trying to construct darkness from light movies.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:30 pm to
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I really don't blame Whedon for how "Age of Ultron" turned out. It's clearly Disney/Mavel being control freaks, which also led to Edgar Wright leaving Ant-Man.


Everyone always blames studio interference, but it seems the changes Dinsey insists on is simply connecting the movie to the rest of the universe. Wright didn't want to do that for Ant Man, so he walked. Whedon capitulated, and put the tonally odd Thor scenes in there.

That said, the only person to blame for the lack of carnage in Ultron is Whedon. In fact, it fits what we know of Whedon. He's incredibly sensitive to criticism regarding pointless violence and the like, and he likes to think of himself as an "enlightened" geek. After the backlash against Superman, I have no doubt it was Whedon, not Disney, that pulled the civilian death and "destruction porn" from Ultron. It fits his personality.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:46 pm to
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Everyone always blames studio interference, but it seems the changes Dinsey insists on is simply connecting the movie to the rest of the universe. Wright didn't want to do that for Ant Man, so he walked. Whedon capitulated, and put the tonally odd Thor scenes in there.



To me it makes even less sense because we know what the next film is, and it's Civil War. There is no better set up than Ultron for this, but judging from the press releases, something Tony does within Civil War causes it. I really think they should have entirely capitalized on Captain America clashing with Iron Man throughout the movie, and then with the corpses of tens of millions on the Avengers feet, it perfectly sets up the story.

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That said, the only person to blame for the lack of carnage in Ultron is Whedon. In fact, it fits what we know of Whedon. He's incredibly sensitive to criticism regarding pointless violence and the like, and he likes to think of himself as an "enlightened" geek. After the backlash against Superman, I have no doubt it was Whedon, not Disney, that pulled the civilian death and "destruction porn" from Ultron. It fits his personality.



How many Disney films contain mass genocide in them? Eisner would not allow Katzenburg to make "The Prince of Egypt" because of the final plague where all the children are killed. Disney released all of Miyazaki's work under the Disney banner, except for "Princess Mononoke" which they put under Miramax, in order to distance themselves from the mass violence and death. The only one I can think of is that is close is the "Hunchback of Notre Dame", and the antagonist largely fails in carrying these aspirations out.

Even if Whedon came to Disney/Marvel with the intention of Ultron of being a ruthless mass murderer, I doubt they would have allowed him to do it. On top of that, simply judging from the finale, Disney would not allow Marvel to destroy a major foreign city for fear that it look xenophobic and affect the box office in those countries, so they have it take place in a made up place in Eastern Europe, a place even in reality no one really gives a damn about. "Age of Ultron" is not a horrible film, but it completely lacked any teeth or grit to it.
Posted by Asharad
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:23 pm to
I agree with that list.

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1.Green Lantern (WB)We’re still almost a year away from the true launch of the DC Cinematic Universe when we’re supposed to be well into it by now, and that makes Green Lantern the most disappointing superhero movie ever.

2.Daredevil (Fox)Too bad that vision was scuttled by a go-nowhere plot, downtrodden visuals, and uncharacteristically poor acting from all parties. Too many plot holes, and poor choices left Daredevil dead on the vine, and yet somehow the film still spawned an even more dismal spin-off featuring Garner's Elektra. Of course, by that time, audiences were far too disappointed to expect much.

3.Man of Steel (WB)
Man of Steel may not be as outwardly terrible as many of the films on this list, but it holds the distinction of being one of the most disappointing.While most fans would say that Snyder captured an aspect of Superman that had never been seen onscreen in his no holds barred physicality, many also felt that the film veered too far in this direction, heaping on wanton destruction (and a generous but unspoken body count)

4.Fant4stic Four 2015 (Fox) Josh Trank’s Fantastic Four had a lot riding on its shoulders as the third attempt (if you count Roger Corman’s abortive first try) at building a franchise around Marvel’s first family. As the second Marvel property in 20th Century Fox’s arsenal, along with the still kicking X-Men franchise, it represented Fox’s chances to begin building a superhero world that would rival that of Marvel studios.
But even after a surprisingly warm reception for the film’s first trailer, bad press, bad blood, and Trank’s disavowal of the film sent Fantastic Four into a critical and commercial nosedive that lead it to tank its opening weekend box office, likely crushing the hopes of FF fans and Fox alike at the future of the franchise.

That the film wasn’t any good – likely owing to studio interference, ill-advised reshoots, and a misunderstanding of the source material – doesn’t help Fantastic Four’s case.-

5. Ang Lee Hulk(Universal)-But it became an Ang Lee directed art mistake that reduced the not-so jolly green giant to a Shrek-like cartoon while somehow also making him the saddest, least exciting comic book character to hit the silver screen. Lee attempted to juxtapose campy elements influenced by the cult-classic Hulk TV show of the '70's with a plot that revolved around child abuse and domestic violence, resulting in a film which contained both scenes of a young Bruce Banner witnessing his mother's murder by his own father, and his alter-ego fighting a pack of mutant dogs

6.Spider-Man 3(Sony)- Unfortunately, lightning didn't strike thrice, and Spider-Man 3 was hamstrung by too many villains, including the baffling casting of Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. Spider-Man 3 also suffered from long stretches of Peter being possessed by the Venom symbiote, a condition whose effects veered more towards slapstick, failing to capture the inherent terror of the symbiote's comic origins.

7.X-Men Origins:Wolverine(Fox)-X-Men Origins: Wolverine, is widely considered to have been an unmitigated disaster. Origins featured nearly-unrecognizable versions of fan-favorite characters like Deadpool and Gambit, along with a plot that did everything it could to leave fans scratching their heads about just how the film even fit into the canon of previous X-Men films

8.Spawn(New Line/WB)-When it came time to develop the property into a feature film, however, the studio opted to go a more teen-friendly route that didn't exactly work with Spawn's demonic origins and inherent, gruesome violence, resulting in a film that failed to capture the true essence of the comics, while also failing to find a strong enough voice to make up for the differences.

9.Punisher:WarZone (LionsGate/Marvel Knights)-Drawing major influence from Garth Ennis's fan-favorite run, Punisher: War Zone was billed as an all-out, gonzo action slugfest. Instead, we got a film that swung too far to other side of the pendulum from previous attempts. Dark for the sake of darkness, wild without boundary, and lacking any coherent plot, Punisher: War Zone was less a love letter to big-budget action blockbusters and more a suicide note for Frank Castle's chances on film.

10.The Dark Knight Rises(WB)-Still a very good film in any other context (Christopher Nolan didn’t suddenly forget how to make a movie), Dark Knight Rises had everything to prove ... and apparently tried to.

Nolan seemed to cast aside the "real world" ethos that guided Batman Begins and the Dark Knight putting Gotham and the plot onto the world stage. He set up Bane as an uncharacteristically outlandish villain, radically shifted the movie’s (and the entire trilogy’s) ‘internal clock’ in the second act, and wrapped the epic up with a saccharine or uplifting ending (depending on your POV) that totally changed Batman's context in Nolan's gritty world.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:43 pm to
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Can I add "Hancock" to the list?
that was like 2 entirely seperate movies in one. started off great and funny then got shitty


Agree totally
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:23 pm to
Really? Man of Steel over Superman Returns? gtfo

1. X3
2. X2
3. X1
4. Iron Man 3
5. Spiderman 3
6. Spiderman 2
7. Superman Returns
8. Wolverine Origins
9. Iron Man 2
10. Daredevil / Green Latern
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 11:32 pm
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