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So, turns out BvS was not a total disaster for WB

Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:30 am
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:30 am
Deadline is currently doing their 2016 most valuable blockbusters. Pretty cool stuff.

Disclaimer - I did not like BvS and I hated SS. But posters on this board repeatedly yell "shut it down" or these films lost millions for WB No, actually they did not.

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When it comes to evaluating the financial performance of top movies, it isn’t about what a film grosses at the box office. The true tale is told when production budgets, P&A, talent participations and other costs collide with box office grosses and ancillary revenues from VOD to DVD and TV. To get close to that mysterious end of the equation, Deadline is repeating our Most Valuable Blockbuster tournament, using data culled by seasoned and trusted sources.


BvS

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Batman V Superman did $330 million in domestic gross, with $447 million overseas and $95 million in China. These would have been lauded on most movies, but the film simply didn’t match expectations that came with the prospect of a collision between such iconic characters, at such a high production and marketing budget. The bottom line was that Warner Bros made a net profit of $105.7 million, and a respectable Cash on Cash Return of 1.18. But oh, what might have been…



Suicide Squad

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The film nonetheless grossed $325 million domestic and $420 million foreign for a perfectly respectable $745 million total on a $175 million production cost. Our experts peg the Participations, Residuals and Off-The-Tops at nearly $60 million, understandable given the marquee names and filmmaker. Still, Warner Bros came away with $158 million net profit and a Cash on Cash Return of 1.34. That is fine for a franchise launch, and the film did better than Marvel’s launch of Doctor Strange. As the architects of Warner Bros and DC’s superhero machine continue to hone the formula, there is encouraging evidence of a ravenous audience just waiting to be wowed.



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Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:33 am to
People who actually thought these movies were failures are stupid. WB may have wanted $1.5 billion, but $900 million is still pretty damn good. They're not losing money on these. No matter how bad Wonder Woman or Justice League may be, those movies will make a profit too.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:36 am to
I don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56346 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:42 am to
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these films lost millions for WB No, actually they did not.
No, they didn't. That's the problem. They have no reason not to produce formulaic crap.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:44 am to
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don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.


I don't remember anyone saying that either. I do remember the terms "financial success" and "critical flop" being thrown around quite a bit.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:45 am to
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So, turns out BvS was not a total disaster for WB


Which is the bad part for fans of the properties. As with anything else, if it makes money there's no reason to course correct...regardless of how much the got panned by critics of the movie.

The flip side of this is the assumption that making money makes them good. It doesn't, obviously. Fans of these properties WANT to enjoy these movies. shite...I've been wanting to see Justice League on screen since the 1970's growing up watching Super Friends! even those I disliked Man of Steel and HATED BvS, I'm going to spend money to see JL. I won't go opening weekend, but it's nearly impossible I won't go to see it...so my money will be piled on top of everyone else's.

And I know I'm part of the problem...
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:46 am to
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They have no reason not to produce formulaic crap.



Say what you want about BvS, it was not formulaic. A formula usually has sensical steps that go in a real direction. I would have killed for that movie to have been formulaic.

SS can be called that, but BvS was below formulaic. It was nonsense.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10615 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:49 am to
How much can you trust the studio's data on how much the film cost to make, market, and show? Also, we are looking at 766.3 mil spent to make 105.7. Is that such a good investment of your capital? It does appear to be a no lose situation for them though.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58071 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:51 am to
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People who actually thought these movies were failures are stupid. WB may have wanted $1.5 billion, but $900 million is still pretty damn good. They're not losing money on these.


No, when you expect to make $1.5 billion and only get $900 million it's a failure. Period. End of story.

The goal is NOT to simply make a profit when you are making a tent pole film. The goal is to make enough money to cover all your other projects throughout the year.

So while it may have made $100 million in profit, the fact that they expected several hundred million more means they very likely had to scale down or outright cancel other films that they were planning on making.



For an example in another industry, the WiiU made Nintendo a profit. However, it's still considered a pretty large failure even though they didn't come close to losing money on it.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 10:57 am
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:04 am to
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I don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.


Stick around.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:15 am to
I figured they'd made money, I think the point is how much more money they could have made with an actual good movie. You had Batman and Superman on the screen for the first time, there was no way it was going to lose money.
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:18 am to
Wasn't a financial disaster, but more accurately was a critical let-down/disappointment.

How soon people forget The Phantom Menace made a large profit, too.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:19 am to
That still doesn't make Suicide Squad watchable.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36050 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:56 am to
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don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.
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I don't remember anyone saying that either


Oh, they're still saying that it lost money.
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They're making them to turn a profit and they lost a shite ton of money on BvS as it didn't even make the budget back

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Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58071 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:58 am to
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Wasn't a financial disaster, but more accurately was a critical let-down/disappointment.

How soon people forget The Phantom Menace made a large profit, too.




Phantom Menace made $1 billion on a $115 million budget. That is a massive financial success and made Fox/Lucasfilm a frick ton of money.



Again, WB expected $1.5 billion and made $900 million. I'm sorry but when you make $600 million less than you planned for your yearly operating budget it's a HUGE failure regardless of the movie making a profit overall.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:09 pm to
Suicide Squad pissed me off because it could have been fixed with just a handful of competent writers. The setting was cool, i thought the acting was pretty good, the story just didn't make any logical sense

ETA: I figured they both made a good bit of money. I'm sure they'll keep pumping these DC movies out. They just need to work on their formula
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:12 pm to


What a load of bullshite.

BvS is still a failure. Batman and Superman are the most famous characters in american history and they have never been on big screen together and the whole wide world was going to see this movie. It should've been a gigantic smashing success but it wasn't.

WB had a goal of anywhere between 1.3 and 1.5 billion, they didn't come anywhere close to that as they finished at 868 million after spending 500 million on this movie. Totally not a failure guys.
Posted by Ducyborg
Denver, CO
Member since Apr 2012
1191 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:17 pm to
you are a fanboi if I've ever saw one. Right after he said

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They're making them to turn a profit and they lost a shite ton of money on BvS as it didn't even make the budget back


he said

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they were shooting for close to 1.4 billion with it, they only got 868 million.


you are fake news
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
51664 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:17 pm to
Technically God's of Egypt made money. Let that sink in.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Member since Oct 2014
45086 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:24 pm to
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Technically God's of Egypt made money. Let that sink in.


Well God's of Egypt was actually watchable.
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