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So, turns out BvS was not a total disaster for WB
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:30 am
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:30 am
Deadline is currently doing their 2016 most valuable blockbusters. Pretty cool stuff.
Disclaimer - I did not like BvS and I hated SS. But posters on this board repeatedly yell "shut it down" or these films lost millions for WB No, actually they did not.
BvS
Suicide Squad
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Disclaimer - I did not like BvS and I hated SS. But posters on this board repeatedly yell "shut it down" or these films lost millions for WB No, actually they did not.
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When it comes to evaluating the financial performance of top movies, it isn’t about what a film grosses at the box office. The true tale is told when production budgets, P&A, talent participations and other costs collide with box office grosses and ancillary revenues from VOD to DVD and TV. To get close to that mysterious end of the equation, Deadline is repeating our Most Valuable Blockbuster tournament, using data culled by seasoned and trusted sources.
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Batman V Superman did $330 million in domestic gross, with $447 million overseas and $95 million in China. These would have been lauded on most movies, but the film simply didn’t match expectations that came with the prospect of a collision between such iconic characters, at such a high production and marketing budget. The bottom line was that Warner Bros made a net profit of $105.7 million, and a respectable Cash on Cash Return of 1.18. But oh, what might have been…
Suicide Squad
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The film nonetheless grossed $325 million domestic and $420 million foreign for a perfectly respectable $745 million total on a $175 million production cost. Our experts peg the Participations, Residuals and Off-The-Tops at nearly $60 million, understandable given the marquee names and filmmaker. Still, Warner Bros came away with $158 million net profit and a Cash on Cash Return of 1.34. That is fine for a franchise launch, and the film did better than Marvel’s launch of Doctor Strange. As the architects of Warner Bros and DC’s superhero machine continue to hone the formula, there is encouraging evidence of a ravenous audience just waiting to be wowed.
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:33 am to RLDSC FAN
People who actually thought these movies were failures are stupid. WB may have wanted $1.5 billion, but $900 million is still pretty damn good. They're not losing money on these. No matter how bad Wonder Woman or Justice League may be, those movies will make a profit too.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:36 am to RLDSC FAN
I don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:42 am to RLDSC FAN
quote:No, they didn't. That's the problem. They have no reason not to produce formulaic crap.
these films lost millions for WB No, actually they did not.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:44 am to Tactical1
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don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.
I don't remember anyone saying that either. I do remember the terms "financial success" and "critical flop" being thrown around quite a bit.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:45 am to RLDSC FAN
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So, turns out BvS was not a total disaster for WB
Which is the bad part for fans of the properties. As with anything else, if it makes money there's no reason to course correct...regardless of how much the got panned by critics of the movie.
The flip side of this is the assumption that making money makes them good. It doesn't, obviously. Fans of these properties WANT to enjoy these movies. shite...I've been wanting to see Justice League on screen since the 1970's growing up watching Super Friends! even those I disliked Man of Steel and HATED BvS, I'm going to spend money to see JL. I won't go opening weekend, but it's nearly impossible I won't go to see it...so my money will be piled on top of everyone else's.
And I know I'm part of the problem...
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:46 am to blueboy
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They have no reason not to produce formulaic crap.
Say what you want about BvS, it was not formulaic. A formula usually has sensical steps that go in a real direction. I would have killed for that movie to have been formulaic.
SS can be called that, but BvS was below formulaic. It was nonsense.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:49 am to RLDSC FAN
How much can you trust the studio's data on how much the film cost to make, market, and show? Also, we are looking at 766.3 mil spent to make 105.7. Is that such a good investment of your capital? It does appear to be a no lose situation for them though.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:51 am to Brosef Stalin
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People who actually thought these movies were failures are stupid. WB may have wanted $1.5 billion, but $900 million is still pretty damn good. They're not losing money on these.
No, when you expect to make $1.5 billion and only get $900 million it's a failure. Period. End of story.
The goal is NOT to simply make a profit when you are making a tent pole film. The goal is to make enough money to cover all your other projects throughout the year.
So while it may have made $100 million in profit, the fact that they expected several hundred million more means they very likely had to scale down or outright cancel other films that they were planning on making.
For an example in another industry, the WiiU made Nintendo a profit. However, it's still considered a pretty large failure even though they didn't come close to losing money on it.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:04 am to Tactical1
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I don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.
Stick around.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:15 am to RLDSC FAN
I figured they'd made money, I think the point is how much more money they could have made with an actual good movie. You had Batman and Superman on the screen for the first time, there was no way it was going to lose money.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:18 am to RLDSC FAN
Wasn't a financial disaster, but more accurately was a critical let-down/disappointment.
How soon people forget The Phantom Menace made a large profit, too.
How soon people forget The Phantom Menace made a large profit, too.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:19 am to RLDSC FAN
That still doesn't make Suicide Squad watchable.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:56 am to LucasP
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don't believe anyone thought it lost millions.
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I don't remember anyone saying that either
Oh, they're still saying that it lost money.
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They're making them to turn a profit and they lost a shite ton of money on BvS as it didn't even make the budget back
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:58 am to LSUFreek
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Wasn't a financial disaster, but more accurately was a critical let-down/disappointment.
How soon people forget The Phantom Menace made a large profit, too.
Phantom Menace made $1 billion on a $115 million budget. That is a massive financial success and made Fox/Lucasfilm a frick ton of money.
Again, WB expected $1.5 billion and made $900 million. I'm sorry but when you make $600 million less than you planned for your yearly operating budget it's a HUGE failure regardless of the movie making a profit overall.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:09 pm to RLDSC FAN
Suicide Squad pissed me off because it could have been fixed with just a handful of competent writers. The setting was cool, i thought the acting was pretty good, the story just didn't make any logical sense
ETA: I figured they both made a good bit of money. I'm sure they'll keep pumping these DC movies out. They just need to work on their formula
ETA: I figured they both made a good bit of money. I'm sure they'll keep pumping these DC movies out. They just need to work on their formula
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:12 pm to RLDSC FAN
What a load of bullshite.
BvS is still a failure. Batman and Superman are the most famous characters in american history and they have never been on big screen together and the whole wide world was going to see this movie. It should've been a gigantic smashing success but it wasn't.
WB had a goal of anywhere between 1.3 and 1.5 billion, they didn't come anywhere close to that as they finished at 868 million after spending 500 million on this movie. Totally not a failure guys.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:17 pm to Fewer Kilometers
you are a fanboi if I've ever saw one. Right after he said
he said
you are fake news
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They're making them to turn a profit and they lost a shite ton of money on BvS as it didn't even make the budget back
he said
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they were shooting for close to 1.4 billion with it, they only got 868 million.
you are fake news
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:17 pm to Brosef Stalin
Technically God's of Egypt made money. Let that sink in.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 12:24 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Technically God's of Egypt made money. Let that sink in.
Well God's of Egypt was actually watchable.
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