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re: Poll, Making a Murderer Spoilers obviously.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:17 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:17 pm to LanierSpots
Steve - 90% sure that he's guilty, but definitely not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Brendan - 50/50 that he saw something or was pushed to do something for Steve, but should be released.
Brendan - 50/50 that he saw something or was pushed to do something for Steve, but should be released.
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 8:19 pm
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Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:24 pm to Yellerhammer5
How on earth can people on here say Brendan might be guilty?
The bus driver killed his story of going over to Stevens at 3.
He admitted to guessing bc he thought if he admitted guilt it was best for him bc basically he's a kid with a learning disability who has zero understanding of anything.
The bus driver killed his story of going over to Stevens at 3.
He admitted to guessing bc he thought if he admitted guilt it was best for him bc basically he's a kid with a learning disability who has zero understanding of anything.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:25 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Steve - 90% sure that he's guilty, but definitely not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Brendan - 50/50 that he saw something or was pushed to do something for Steve, but should be released.
This.
I think it's likely that Brendan ran into Steve shortly after it happened and helped him clean up or something along those lines. I don't think Brendan actually participated in rape or the murder.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:27 pm to Dr_Tim_Whatley
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He admitted to guessing bc he thought if he admitted guilt it was best for him bc basically he's a kid with a learning disability who has zero understanding of anything.
I think this is the part people can't get over with him. If he is that far gone, how the hell did he make up that detailed of a story at first and why did the cousin have the same story? If he just said he did it, I could believe that he made it up but that was a pretty detailed story he told them at first. The weight loss and the fact that he was worried for so long made us believe he was part of it
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:29 pm to AlbertMeansWell
Is there anything I can read online that will help fill in the gaps? I'm not a redditer amd get lost on that site. I keep hearing there is Steven Avery evidence the show left out that is damning,
Side note: I kept telling my wife that Kratz's voice sounded like a perverts or pedophiles and then he got busted for being a sexual deviant. I lol'ed so hard. frick that dude. frick that dude with a cactus.
Side note: I kept telling my wife that Kratz's voice sounded like a perverts or pedophiles and then he got busted for being a sexual deviant. I lol'ed so hard. frick that dude. frick that dude with a cactus.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:31 pm to LanierSpots
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I think this is the part people can't get over with him. If he is that far gone, how the hell did he make up that detailed of a story at first and why did the cousin have the same story? If he just said he did it, I could believe that he made it up but that was a pretty detailed story he told them at first. The weight loss and the fact that he was worried for so long made us believe he was part of it
Dumb people still have imaginations and watch tv/movies.
His story changed like 5 times and the videos show the cops telling him the details then he'd just agree with them. It was nuts. How those interrogation videos of a mentally challenged minor being railroaded without a lawyer or parent present didn't get the case thrown out I will never know. Unbelievable.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:39 pm to TheCaterpillar
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s there anything I can read online that will help fill in the gaps? I'm not a redditer amd get lost on that site. I keep hearing there is Steven Avery evidence the show left out that is damning,
Google "Steve Avery Evidence"
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:40 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Also Steven is stupider than stupid, it's hard for me to believe he could concoct such a sophisticated case.
I'm in the second episode now, and the guy is a complete idiot. Has to be one of the dumbest people in the community. No way he could have concocted this, from what I've been presented with so far.
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:42 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Dumb people still have imaginations and watch tv/movies.
I'm not through it, but believable creativity requires some intelligence to cover their tracks, which he clearly doesn't have. And I have a hard time believing someone with a 70 IQ can have the creativity of someone with 110 IQ.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:42 pm to TheCaterpillar
From the Innocence Project -
A Note on Steven Avery and the Netflix Series "Making a Murderer"
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Many of you have raised concern for the case of Steven Avery. As you have seen from the series, Making a Murderer, the criminal justice system is far from perfect. Cases like Avery are very complicated. As you will learn through the series, a member of the Innocence Network is currently looking into some aspects of his case.
While we know from the 336 DNA exonerations that innocent people are wrongly convicted and serve long prison terms for crimes they didn’t commit, we don’t know how many innocent people are in prison seeking to clear their names. Fortunately, the filmmakers behind Making a Murderer are helping to shine a spotlight on some of the problems that plague the criminal justice system, like false confessions and government misconduct.
A Note on Steven Avery and the Netflix Series "Making a Murderer"
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Many of you have raised concern for the case of Steven Avery. As you have seen from the series, Making a Murderer, the criminal justice system is far from perfect. Cases like Avery are very complicated. As you will learn through the series, a member of the Innocence Network is currently looking into some aspects of his case.
While we know from the 336 DNA exonerations that innocent people are wrongly convicted and serve long prison terms for crimes they didn’t commit, we don’t know how many innocent people are in prison seeking to clear their names. Fortunately, the filmmakers behind Making a Murderer are helping to shine a spotlight on some of the problems that plague the criminal justice system, like false confessions and government misconduct.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:43 pm to TheCaterpillar
Yes, the biggest wrong doing for me is the fact that everyone is okay and accepts this literally retarded kid's account. The kid isn't fit to stand trial, let alone be a witness. The whole family is quite stupid so it's easy to pull one over on them, but it's quite sad how they take advantage of Brendan. I mean frick, they couldn't even name the kid with the correct spelling.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:44 pm to OMLandshark
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Has to be one of the dumbest people in the community.
Just wait until you meet his nephew.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:45 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Although suspects of all ages make false confessions, they are more common amongst juveniles.
According to Steven A. Drivin of Northwestern Law School, "juveniles are overrepresented in documented cases of false confessions." A study of 340 exonerations showed that 42 percent of juvenile wrongful convictions involved false confessions, while only 13 percent of the exonerated adults had confessed.
According to Steven A. Drivin of Northwestern Law School, "juveniles are overrepresented in documented cases of false confessions." A study of 340 exonerations showed that 42 percent of juvenile wrongful convictions involved false confessions, while only 13 percent of the exonerated adults had confessed.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:49 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
And, whether the suspect is an adult or a juvenile, individuals with a low IQ are more likely to falsely confess. Again, this is largely due to the fact that these suspects are less likely to think about the long-term consequences of their confession.
In the West Memphis Three case, 17-year-old Jessie Misskelley allegedly falsely confessed to murder and implicated two other teenagers, Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin, as his partners in crime. Misskelley, whose IQ is 70, later recanted his statement and refused to testify against Echols and Baldwin. Nevertheless, all three were convicted of murder and served 18 years in prison before DNA evidence allowed them to take a plea deal and be released from prison.
In another notable case of alleged false confessions, in 1989, not one but five teenagers confessed to the rape and beating of a young woman in Central Park after being interrogated for up to 30 hours each.
DNA evidence from the scene wasn't a match, but they were convicted and spent seven years behind bars before the DNA was finally linked to the true perpetrator — a serial rapist who acted alone.
After the five were freed, Celeste Koeleveld, New York City's executive assistant corporation counsel for public safety, responded to the wrongful conviction saying, “We believe that, based on the information that the police and prosecutors had at the time, they had probable cause to proceed and the confessions were sound."
In a recent documentary about the case, entitled The Central Park Five, social psychologist Saul Kassin emphasized the ramifications of a false confession: “Once the confession is taken, it trumps everything else. It trumps DNA evidence. Its effects cannot be reversed.”
In the West Memphis Three case, 17-year-old Jessie Misskelley allegedly falsely confessed to murder and implicated two other teenagers, Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin, as his partners in crime. Misskelley, whose IQ is 70, later recanted his statement and refused to testify against Echols and Baldwin. Nevertheless, all three were convicted of murder and served 18 years in prison before DNA evidence allowed them to take a plea deal and be released from prison.
In another notable case of alleged false confessions, in 1989, not one but five teenagers confessed to the rape and beating of a young woman in Central Park after being interrogated for up to 30 hours each.
DNA evidence from the scene wasn't a match, but they were convicted and spent seven years behind bars before the DNA was finally linked to the true perpetrator — a serial rapist who acted alone.
After the five were freed, Celeste Koeleveld, New York City's executive assistant corporation counsel for public safety, responded to the wrongful conviction saying, “We believe that, based on the information that the police and prosecutors had at the time, they had probable cause to proceed and the confessions were sound."
In a recent documentary about the case, entitled The Central Park Five, social psychologist Saul Kassin emphasized the ramifications of a false confession: “Once the confession is taken, it trumps everything else. It trumps DNA evidence. Its effects cannot be reversed.”
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 1/3/16 at 8:49 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Just wait until you meet his nephew.
You've got me excited. Steve is a 70 on the IQ test, which is at the bottom 2%. I can't wait to see how dumb this guy is.
This post was edited on 1/3/16 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 1/3/16 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
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Just wait until you meet his nephew.
Spoiler, there will be a Wrestlemania reference.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 9:07 pm to Dr_Tim_Whatley
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bc basically he's a kid with a learning disability who has zero understanding of anything.
Exactly. After his "confession"of the rape/murder, the kid thought he'd be able to go back to class that day and was holding out to hope to return home to watch Wrestlemania
Posted on 1/3/16 at 9:11 pm to Mouth
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Ring ring ring Hello. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Every time Barb and Brendan got on the phone, that's exactly how it went.
And what about Jodi?? That chick has been rode hard and put up wet several times.
And all of those Wisconsin accents made me cringe the whole time
Posted on 1/3/16 at 9:18 pm to Skeeter 79
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And all of those Wisconsin accents made me cringe the whole time
the show cast a bad shadow on Wisconsin. White trash is everywhere. And the show certainly tried to depict the authorities taking advantage of a low class family who they thought no one would care about
Its pathetic
Posted on 1/3/16 at 9:28 pm to LanierSpots
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the show cast a bad shadow on Wisconsin. White trash is everywhere. And the show certainly tried to depict the authorities taking advantage of a low class family who they thought no one would care about
The fact that this case happened in Wisconsin is chance, it could have happened in any state so I'm not sure what your point is.
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