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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:59 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:59 am to H-Town Tiger
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Bunny taking the kids out is strange scene. could have taken them to Outback or something. It was similar to a scene in S1 with Dee and Donette where Dee feels a little out of place. I would also be remiss if not pointing out the teacher in the corner kids class is also pretty
it reminded me of dee also, the kids probably felt similar to dee. I think that was the purpose of taking them to a higher end restaurant. The name of the episode is known your place.
Kima got replaced by another woman
Little Kevin get dropped. A character mentioned in season 1 that never appears until season 4 that doesn't make it out of the season.
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:25 am to CocomoLSU
Misgivings:
Wow, Clay Davis gives zero fricks. He openly admits to scamming Carcetti, then tells them he'll do it again in Annapolis when Carcetti is gov and then after acting like he'll help with Burell he goes behind their back to work with Campbell and Burrell to screw Daniels over because Daniels wouldn't play ball while Davis was taking money from known drug dealers. This guy could make Edwin Edwards blush, biggest brass balls ever.
Poot is back. Bodie tells Little Kevin to go tell Marlo about being questioned so they don't assume it and it gets Kevin whacked anyway. Bodie feels guilty, Poot raises a comparison to Wallace, but to Bodie it's different since Stringer said he was working with the cops, Little Kevin is not, but Bodie doesn't know he passed on the luring of Lex to Randy.
Man, I'm torn on Namond. He's an annoying little bitch but I feel sorry for him. I see him like Dee and Ziggy, 2nd Gen that's jut not cut out for the family business. Ironically, his over-bearing miserable count of a mom, who wants nothing more than for him to be like WeeBey, has made him a little bitch that couldn't possibly be like that. How fricked up is it that she's mad he wouldn't go to juvie and tells Colvin to leave her son alone and she doesn't even know he used to be po-leese.
Speaking of fricked up. Carcetti can't fire Burell because he's popular with the Ministers, presumably because he is black. Yet, on the advice of OG Clay Davis, Burrell orders the cops to conduct mass arrests for petty offenses, which overwhelming effects blacks just to juke the stats. Do the ministers and other community leaders not see the conncection or do they just blame it on the white mayor?
Jimmy doing some actual po-leese work solving the church break in's. Dude is a good cop, too bad it makes him a raging arse. And nice to see his ex again
Wow, Clay Davis gives zero fricks. He openly admits to scamming Carcetti, then tells them he'll do it again in Annapolis when Carcetti is gov and then after acting like he'll help with Burell he goes behind their back to work with Campbell and Burrell to screw Daniels over because Daniels wouldn't play ball while Davis was taking money from known drug dealers. This guy could make Edwin Edwards blush, biggest brass balls ever.
Poot is back. Bodie tells Little Kevin to go tell Marlo about being questioned so they don't assume it and it gets Kevin whacked anyway. Bodie feels guilty, Poot raises a comparison to Wallace, but to Bodie it's different since Stringer said he was working with the cops, Little Kevin is not, but Bodie doesn't know he passed on the luring of Lex to Randy.
Man, I'm torn on Namond. He's an annoying little bitch but I feel sorry for him. I see him like Dee and Ziggy, 2nd Gen that's jut not cut out for the family business. Ironically, his over-bearing miserable count of a mom, who wants nothing more than for him to be like WeeBey, has made him a little bitch that couldn't possibly be like that. How fricked up is it that she's mad he wouldn't go to juvie and tells Colvin to leave her son alone and she doesn't even know he used to be po-leese.
Speaking of fricked up. Carcetti can't fire Burell because he's popular with the Ministers, presumably because he is black. Yet, on the advice of OG Clay Davis, Burrell orders the cops to conduct mass arrests for petty offenses, which overwhelming effects blacks just to juke the stats. Do the ministers and other community leaders not see the conncection or do they just blame it on the white mayor?
Jimmy doing some actual po-leese work solving the church break in's. Dude is a good cop, too bad it makes him a raging arse. And nice to see his ex again
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:28 am to Ace Midnight
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Ruth's Chris is all Louisiana, baw.
Bunk should have taken them
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:37 am to jamsmiley
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I think that was the purpose of taking them to a higher end restaurant. The name of the episode is known your place.
plus Burrell and Rawls knowing their place and Carcetti knowing his behind Campbell etc.
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A character mentioned in season 1 that never appears until season 4 that doesn't make it out of the season.
damn, I'll bite, who are you referencing
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
davis, burrell, and nereese in a room
bubbs' revenge on herc was great. it was so obvious (day, time, plate) and herc fell for it
bubbs' revenge on herc was great. it was so obvious (day, time, plate) and herc fell for it
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
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damn, I'll bite, who are you referencing
little Kevin is the character. Bodie mentions him in a scene in the pit. He doesn't appear until season 4
Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yo
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:00 pm to PortCityTiger24
Know Your Place & Misgivings...
Love Bunk and Omar scenes. "I'm your motherfricking savior." :bunk:
Randy beasting on the dice game. It's cool to see that Prez is getting through to the kids.
We see Michael get into the molesting thing a little bit.
"You juke the stats and majors become colonels.." Prez noticing the same bureaucratic bullshite in the school system as in the government. Sad. And he's finally getting through to the kids with math and they want to force him to teach language because of the testing coming up. Sucks.
Poor Bubz, man. Damn.
Why did Old Faced Andre get capped again? Someone refresh me...he was setting up Omar, and isn't that good for all involved in the drug game?
Man, Officer Walker is such a count. But frick Donut too though. That little shite deserves whatever comes to him.
This is the first time in a while that we've seen McNulty on camera, huh? Dude needs WAAAAAAAAAY more screen time.
Uh oh...here comes Randy's decline with the snitching shite.
@ Bubbles. Dude says "frick you, Herc." And good for him, because Herc deserves that shite.
So now I'm left wondering if Michael is telling the truth about Bug's dad, or just lying about it to have him killed? I think he knows that he could take that to Chris and he would handle it for him. But now I am not so sure he didn't already know that and just say shite to get Chris on his side and get Bug's dad out of the way. Hmmm....
And man, Chris straight up beat the life out of that dude. Damn.
Love Bunk and Omar scenes. "I'm your motherfricking savior." :bunk:
Randy beasting on the dice game. It's cool to see that Prez is getting through to the kids.
We see Michael get into the molesting thing a little bit.
"You juke the stats and majors become colonels.." Prez noticing the same bureaucratic bullshite in the school system as in the government. Sad. And he's finally getting through to the kids with math and they want to force him to teach language because of the testing coming up. Sucks.
Poor Bubz, man. Damn.
Why did Old Faced Andre get capped again? Someone refresh me...he was setting up Omar, and isn't that good for all involved in the drug game?
Man, Officer Walker is such a count. But frick Donut too though. That little shite deserves whatever comes to him.
This is the first time in a while that we've seen McNulty on camera, huh? Dude needs WAAAAAAAAAY more screen time.
Uh oh...here comes Randy's decline with the snitching shite.
@ Bubbles. Dude says "frick you, Herc." And good for him, because Herc deserves that shite. So now I'm left wondering if Michael is telling the truth about Bug's dad, or just lying about it to have him killed? I think he knows that he could take that to Chris and he would handle it for him. But now I am not so sure he didn't already know that and just say shite to get Chris on his side and get Bug's dad out of the way. Hmmm....
And man, Chris straight up beat the life out of that dude. Damn.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:19 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Bubbles was never my favorite character, I know a lot of people love him, but his story here is so sad. Even his "friend" Kima was just using him and just passes him off.
I don't think Kima was passing him off in terms of using him as much as she just was in Homicide now, and wasn't a beat cop like Herc is. So she was passing him onto someone that could be of more help to him.
That being said, she should've known that Herc isn't worth a frick and that Bubz wasn't in good hands. She could've at least checked up on him with Herc or something.
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Carcetti making moves. Not sure why he trust Rawls (cause's he's white?) too bad Daniels didn't give him the real scoop, but i guess he has to be cautious. Ole Carcetti finding out, beating the mayor isn't the end of it though. Nerece is pretty fiya for a council woman.
Yeah, I don't totally get the Rawls thing either, but I guess Rawls is good at playing both sides of things. So he's sort of a position piece cog in the machine and not something terribly important. It's kinda like you can trust him ENOUGH and that's all you need. Also, he's an a-hole, but we don't have much evidence of him actually doing a shitty job, do we? And he's enough of a hardass on his inferiors that he keeps them in check (and keeps the numbers in check).
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Bunny taking the kids out is strange scene. could have taken them to Outback or something. It was similar to a scene in S1 with Dee and Donette where Dee feels a little out of place.
Yeah, that scene was just weird. Ruth Chris was definitely aiming high as hell for those kids. And what kinda pisses me off is that Bunny was almost doing it TO make them uncomfortable. Like it was for his own amusement. Everything they said and did he just sat there with a grin on his face about it. He wasn't trying to help them out or show them how to act/react. And then they felt like shite about it and reverted back to thugs in the car.
I'm starting to dislike Bunny this time around.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:25 pm to CocomoLSU
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And what kinda pisses me off is that Bunny was almost doing it TO make them uncomfortable.
I think you learn something when you're uncomfortable. He was trying to show them a different world. Explaining it to them isn't the same as letting them experience it.
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Like it was for his own amusement.
He was amused, but that isn't a flaw, IMHO.
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He wasn't trying to help them out or show them how to act/react.
Have you dealt with kids, Cokes? Sometimes - especially with a worldly group of kids like this - letting them get uncomfortable and fail to look cool opens them up to the fact that they don't fricking know everything.
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I'm starting to dislike Bunny this time around.
I like Bunny better every time. Some folks sit around and bitch about problems. Others try to do something different. Obviously the negative things of Hamsterdam were easily predictable, but he was trying to do something different (where the same shite had not worked for decades). And, he was willing to try to do something to help after all that. He could have left Baltimore and gone to work somewhere that wasn't as shithole like a West Baltimore middle school. He didn't.
I respect that.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Poot is back. Bodie tells Little Kevin to go tell Marlo about being questioned so they don't assume it and it gets Kevin whacked anyway. Bodie feels guilty, Poot raises a comparison to Wallace, but to Bodie it's different since Stringer said he was working with the cops, Little Kevin is not, but Bodie doesn't know he passed on the luring of Lex to Randy.
Yeah, LK takes the fall for Randy basically.
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Man, I'm torn on Namond. He's an annoying little bitch but I feel sorry for him. I see him like Dee and Ziggy, 2nd Gen that's jut not cut out for the family business. Ironically, his over-bearing miserable count of a mom, who wants nothing more than for him to be like WeeBey, has made him a little bitch that couldn't possibly be like that. How fricked up is it that she's mad he wouldn't go to juvie and tells Colvin to leave her son alone and she doesn't even know he used to be po-leese.
Well I'm not torn on him at all.
Namond can go frick himself. Spoilers....
I hate that he's one of the ones who gets a happy ending. frick him.
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Speaking of fricked up. Carcetti can't fire Burell because he's popular with the Ministers, presumably because he is black. Yet, on the advice of OG Clay Davis, Burrell orders the cops to conduct mass arrests for petty offenses, which overwhelming effects blacks just to juke the stats. Do the ministers and other community leaders not see the conncection or do they just blame it on the white mayor?
I would assume it's the latter, and they are pinning it on the white mayor. A lot of times, people just tend to take the easy way out and blame the easiest scapegoat. And in a situation like B-more on The Wire, a newly-elected white mayor is by far the easiest thing to blame for stuff like that.
It's the story about eating plate after plate of shite. Carcetti is seeing that come to fruition now that he's (basically) elected.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:32 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think you learn something when you're uncomfortable. He was trying to show them a different world. Explaining it to them isn't the same as letting them experience it.
No I agree with you on that. Just seemed weird to take them to a place like that though. Could've started a little lower. But I guess that was the point. It was worth noticing that the kids did, in fact, know how to act. They were correcting each other in the restaurant about what to say and how to act, and that "people were looking at" them.
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He was amused, but that isn't a flaw, IMHO.
He could've helped them though, that's what I'm saying. They can learn lessons on their own (a little), or you can teach them while in the situation and assist their learning a lot more.
But in the end, the next day at school they were all bragging about the dinner and whatnot. So they ultimately appreciated the experience I suppose.
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Have you dealt with kids, Cokes? Sometimes - especially with a worldly group of kids like this - letting them get uncomfortable and fail to look cool opens them up to the fact that they don't fricking know everything.
You're right. I would've maybe just handled it a little differently, that's all.
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I respect that.
I definitely respect Bunny. No question. Dude's actions aren't always the most wise ones, but he definitely has good motives and intentions behind most of the things that he does. And aside from a few flaws (which everybody has some), he's a stand-up guy and a good person. And like you said, he is trying to help.
Although he did try to take that job that "wasn't a shithole" but got fricked by Burrell (Rawls?) in last season. So while it's good what he's trying to do, he was definitely trying to get out of the shite and into a kush job he could retire on, no?
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:42 pm to CocomoLSU
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Although he did try to take that job that "wasn't a shithole" but got fricked by Burrell (Rawls?) in last season.
Yes, but that job would have still been at home (Johns-Hopkins) and was a no-brainer, prestige job.
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So while it's good what he's trying to do, he was definitely trying to get out of the shite and into a kush job he could retire on, no?
Well, we all would.
But at the end, he could have done the "least" he could do as Plan B., yet went out of his way to do more. And went above and beyond the call of duty (IMO) trying to help the very white academics understand the problems of very black ghetto kids.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:43 pm to CocomoLSU
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Why did Old Faced Andre get capped again?
marlo told chris that if the cops backed down on omar, then he could ID chris/snoop
no loose ends
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So now I'm left wondering if Michael is telling the truth about Bug's dad, or just lying about it to have him killed? I think he knows that he could take that to Chris and he would handle it for him. But now I am not so sure he didn't already know that and just say shite to get Chris on his side and get Bug's dad out of the way. Hmmm....
i think he was already showing signs before that guy showed back up
like the stuff with cutty (brought back up by him calling cutty an f-word). pretty sure that was prior
Posted on 5/24/16 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think he was already showing signs before that guy showed back up like the stuff with cutty (brought back up by him calling cutty an f-word). pretty sure that was prior
Yeah - there is no question that Bug's father abused Michael and his chief concern was that Bug was next. He knew he could frick ole boy up if it came to that - even if mom sided with him.
But Bug? Michael would have killed him over Bug, but calmly decided to go about it in a more professional way.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 5:13 pm to CocomoLSU
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Randy beasting on the dice game. It's cool to see that Prez is getting through to the kids.
if only craps was that easy
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I don't think Kima was passing him off in terms of using him as much as she just was in Homicide now, and wasn't a beat cop like Herc is. So she was passing him onto someone that could be of more help to him.
That being said, she should've known that Herc isn't worth a frick and that Bubz wasn't in good hands. She could've at least checked up on him with Herc or something.
poor bastard is literally getting the crap beat out of him daily. He did a lot to help her/their investigations in the past, i know he got paid, but still. and yeah, she should know Herc is a worthless piece of crap that wouldn't do anything. Hell, tell McNutty, he'd at least do something rather than steal shite like officer Walker.
ETA: Bubs getting back at Herc with the setup was great (and a little dig at the church folk that ignore him?)
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It's kinda like you can trust him ENOUGH and that's all you need. Also, he's an a-hole, but we don't have much evidence of him actually doing a shitty job, do we?
There are a couple of times in other seasons, especially when Kima gets shot, that we see enough to think he was or could be a good cop, but he is also good at the political game.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 5/24/16 at 5:29 pm to CocomoLSU
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Well I'm not torn on him at all.
man i totally get it,
but like Ziggy, i find i just feel sorry for him this time around. Posted on 5/25/16 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think he was already showing signs before that guy showed back up
like the stuff with cutty (brought back up by him calling cutty an f-word). pretty sure that was prior
There was also that scene where they were riding back from the boxing match that Cutty took them to and he got out of the car when Spider (or whoever it was) was dropped off. It's pretty clear that Michael didn't trust Cutty and he even commented to the other kids about how he was just "too nice".
Posted on 5/25/16 at 8:14 am to amiznit
yeah that was the scene i was primarily leaning on. obviously he doesn't trust being alone with older males
i'm making a formal motion that we make next week the final 3 episodes
there is only like 4-5 of us posting in this thread so i don't think it's going to be too burdensome
i'm making a formal motion that we make next week the final 3 episodes
there is only like 4-5 of us posting in this thread so i don't think it's going to be too burdensome
Posted on 5/25/16 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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there is only like 4-5 of us posting in this thread
But, it's a solid 4 - 5 posters, though.
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i'm making a formal motion that we make next week the final 3 episodes
Seconded.
All in favor?
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 8:18 am
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