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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:59 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:59 am to CocomoLSU
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You think Zig doesn't know that his father takes care of people like that? I figure he's surely seen that happen before, not only because it's his dad (and people could tell him that it happens), but also because he's in that bar all the time too.
obviously him and Nick are looking for angles because they are struggling. Maybe he knows Frank is helping guys, but did he ever see it like that? The guy seemed surprised, if that happens in the bar a lot, you'd think it would be widely known. I'm assuming he got Nick extra hours after their talk.
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:01 am to CocomoLSU
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I'm not too familiar with how unions work, but how could Frank take "union money"
Well - let's not mix apples and oranges. There is "union money" that is legit - money from dues goes to pay the union officials, expenses and to fund their official "war chest." This is to pay living expenses during a strike.
But, there is lots of off the books "union money" - I mean, he doesn't have to account to the union board, the NLRB, the IRS for money made from bribes, payoffs, smuggling deals. The union guys "trust" him to do the right thing with that money.
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:12 am to CocomoLSU
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I don't remember that, but it would make sense now. See if you can find that scene online (youtube usually has a TON of Wire scenes).
I don't see it on a quick search, but it is the 2nd episode. Dee, Donette and the baby go to a BBQ after he's in the interrogation room with Jimmy and Bunk writing the letter. Avon takes him off and I just noticed Stringer seemed a little flirty with Donette, stood out to me since i knew he starts boning her later.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:13 am to Ace Midnight
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The union guys "trust" him to do the right thing with that money.
Right, I get that. What I'm saying is that do you think Frank dishing it out to people when they can't get hours is what everyone would consider "the right thing." I'm sure they are all for the backchannel cash being given to people like Clay Davis to get support for things (like, say, the dredging), but I'm more curious about him handing it directly to people to pay their personal bills.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:19 am to CocomoLSU
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I'm more curious about him handing it directly to people to pay their personal bills.
They know he's doing this and trust his discretion.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 3:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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except clay davis
One thing about him is, he never pretended to be anything else. He's one of the characters I'm actually enjoying more this time around.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:50 am to Nodust
OP updated with new episodes for this week.
I didn't get a chance to watch the last two. Hope to do that in the next night or two.
Hopefully the discussion can get/keep rolling and more people can join in.
I didn't get a chance to watch the last two. Hope to do that in the next night or two.
Hopefully the discussion can get/keep rolling and more people can join in.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:17 am to CocomoLSU
Stringer having a strategy marketing meeting at the funeral home was awesome. it gets obvious Avon kept things going in the direction they wanted.
I really wanted Ziggy to get killed both times I watched.
The longshoreman just won't give anything up to the police.
Mcnulty can't tie a knot to save his life.
Bunk tries hard but just doesn't have what Lester or McNulty have.
Omar testifying may be the highlight of the season. When he rips on Levy
I really wanted Ziggy to get killed both times I watched.
The longshoreman just won't give anything up to the police.
Mcnulty can't tie a knot to save his life.
Bunk tries hard but just doesn't have what Lester or McNulty have.
Omar testifying may be the highlight of the season. When he rips on Levy
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:00 am to Nodust
i love when stringer drops his business terms. "if someone like poot can have 2 phones that's market saturation".
and be quiet i have midterm i have to study
and be quiet i have midterm i have to study
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:35 am to CocomoLSU
Undertow:
Kind of a meh episode. Though we get our first appearance from Cheese.
Ziggy is such a loser, he has guys "working" for him but they have no respect for him and why should they? After his guys give him less than they owe him, Cheese and his crew show and humiliate Ziggy and take his car. Cheese laughs at Ziggy's $2000 coat "Not even a black man can style that shite"
Carver can't understand why Daniels would want him back in the detail. Daniels says its because he'd be the last one to do it again, but maybe Daniels doesn't want to be like Burrell, Rawls and Valcheck putting politics over the work. He does knock him down a peg saying his stripes are unearned and he has to report to Greggs, just like the old days.
Herc notes they are going after white boys so its his turn to do the hand to hands and Carv and Kima can be on the roof. Herc with his props profiling during the hand to hands was pretty funny, really the only time so far i liked Herc
Not looking good on clearing the 14 Jane Does, you'd think that's something most would understand, but in the bureaucracy it's clear or not. They send the dock guys to the grand jury, but these don't scare easily, I'm sure they've been hauled before the Feds before. Frank is pissed that they are questioning him about this. But we the Union is just another bureaucracy that works to further it's own interest no matter what. Bunk asks Beddie if she has any CI's, she doesn't. but goes toa guy she knows has a crush on her. Even plain girls know how to use it. He won't snitch, but gives her a good clue about the computers.
Because of the increased heat over the dead girls Frank wants to cool things with crooks unless he can met the Greek, the Greek refuses but offers to double. Frank is not happy Vondras points out the union has few options "They used to make steel there, no" This gets at the overall theme for the season, we can discuss after we done with the season.
Meanwhile they are asking Nick for some chemicals. Nick is worried they might be for a bomb or something so they research at the library. Nick seems kind of young to be that clueless about the internet. This was done in 2003 not 1995. Is this supposed to be symbolic of a class thing, being left behind by technology? Anyway they find out it is used for processing cocaine.
B&B struggling with inferior product. Stringer trying to get consulting advice from his econ professor, asking his guys if they heard of Worldcom I mean Bodie didn't even know there were radio stations outside of Baltimore, but the pit crew does come up with similar solutions to the econ prof. Seems natural business acumen.
Nick and Aimee house shopping and Elena McNulty is the RE agent, very nice. Nick disputing the neighborhood name and we see yuppies moving in
Kind of a meh episode. Though we get our first appearance from Cheese.
Ziggy is such a loser, he has guys "working" for him but they have no respect for him and why should they? After his guys give him less than they owe him, Cheese and his crew show and humiliate Ziggy and take his car. Cheese laughs at Ziggy's $2000 coat "Not even a black man can style that shite"
Carver can't understand why Daniels would want him back in the detail. Daniels says its because he'd be the last one to do it again, but maybe Daniels doesn't want to be like Burrell, Rawls and Valcheck putting politics over the work. He does knock him down a peg saying his stripes are unearned and he has to report to Greggs, just like the old days.
Herc notes they are going after white boys so its his turn to do the hand to hands and Carv and Kima can be on the roof. Herc with his props profiling during the hand to hands was pretty funny, really the only time so far i liked Herc
Not looking good on clearing the 14 Jane Does, you'd think that's something most would understand, but in the bureaucracy it's clear or not. They send the dock guys to the grand jury, but these don't scare easily, I'm sure they've been hauled before the Feds before. Frank is pissed that they are questioning him about this. But we the Union is just another bureaucracy that works to further it's own interest no matter what. Bunk asks Beddie if she has any CI's, she doesn't. but goes toa guy she knows has a crush on her. Even plain girls know how to use it. He won't snitch, but gives her a good clue about the computers.
Because of the increased heat over the dead girls Frank wants to cool things with crooks unless he can met the Greek, the Greek refuses but offers to double. Frank is not happy Vondras points out the union has few options "They used to make steel there, no" This gets at the overall theme for the season, we can discuss after we done with the season.
Meanwhile they are asking Nick for some chemicals. Nick is worried they might be for a bomb or something so they research at the library. Nick seems kind of young to be that clueless about the internet. This was done in 2003 not 1995. Is this supposed to be symbolic of a class thing, being left behind by technology? Anyway they find out it is used for processing cocaine.
B&B struggling with inferior product. Stringer trying to get consulting advice from his econ professor, asking his guys if they heard of Worldcom
I mean Bodie didn't even know there were radio stations outside of Baltimore, but the pit crew does come up with similar solutions to the econ prof. Seems natural business acumen. Nick and Aimee house shopping and Elena McNulty is the RE agent, very nice. Nick disputing the neighborhood name and we see yuppies moving in
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 11:25 am
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:42 am to Nodust
"I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase."
Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:47 am to H-Town Tiger
Internet use wasn't all that common in 03. But Nick would have had some exposure. Maybe they were trying to show how he really didn't know anything but his world of waiting for ships, the bar they hang at and lifting what he can from containers.
But even the police didn't have computers then either.
But even the police didn't have computers then either.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 11:10 am to Nodust
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Internet use wasn't all that common in 03.
yeah, it was. We didn't have smart phones yet, but the internet bubble blew up in 2001, so the internet was in widespread use by 2003. Certainly enough that someone under 30 should be more than vaguely familiar with it. Rather Nick seems search engines and digital cameras like my grandma.
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Maybe they were trying to show how he really didn't know anything but his world of waiting for ships, the bar they hang at and lifting what he can from containers.
I think that's it, he's a metaphor for this dying way of life and his cluelessness about tech i'm guessing is showing how people are replaced by tech?
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But even the police didn't have computers then either.
they did, just not enough, that was to show how backwards and broke the department was.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 12:22 pm to CocomoLSU
All Prologue:
"I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase, all in the game though right?"
Omar gives the GOAT witness testimony in TV or cinematic history. The prosecutor is understandably skeptical, but puts him on anyway. He is brutally honest "Occupation? I rip and run. I robs drug dealers". Levy probably thought this was a slam dunk, he never saw Omar coming. Omar sees right through him, he knows Levy is sleeze but views it as just part of the game. Levy tries to discredit Omar which is impossible given Omar's brutal honesty. He think he has him with the Why should we believe you question, but Omar slams that hanging curve out of the park by saying its up to the jury. The jury is clearly eating Omar up, laughing at his comments, even judge Phelan is mesmerized by his testimony. The only time he comes close to getting rattled is when Levy says he'd kill Gant if he had to, which Omar flatly denies he would hurt anyone not in the game. It's checkmate Omar though when he turns it back on Levy. "just like you man" "I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase, all in the game though right?" Levy is speechless for the first time. Levy thinks he's painting Omar into a corner and Omar does it to him. FREAKING AWESOME, then in the hallway after telling Bird you think on Brandon. Jimmy asks, did you really see him shot the man? You really asking? OMAR
Outside of Omar, the big event from this episode is D getting taken out on Stringer's order. I'm not 100% sure why he does this. D is trying to break away from the family. He won't take less time by going along with Avon and tells his mom, you wanted me to stand up so that's what I'll do. We see him trying to change, he flushes his drugs, he's in book club talking about the Great Gatsby and see's himself in Gatsby as a man that can never out run his past. Stringer of course doesn't know this, but why would he take out D? Is it over Donette?
Is every SO of the cops a total bitch We know Daniels wife is count but Kima's girl is a whiney bitch too. Bent out of shape Kima is going to a tittie bar to interview a stripper. The stripper saying she doesn't blame her for coming along though.
Daniels refuses to take the 14 homicides because it will look bad on his detail. He realizes the 2nd chance and doesn't want to make it look bad. Russell and Freeman start the work of going thru the computers looking for patterns of missing containers. The paper trail is not for the Bunk, he goes out and gets drunk with Jimmy. Bunk fears if he doesn't clear the Jane Doe's Rawls will force him out. Jimmy decides he's "retired" from detective work and wants to get back with his wife.
The Union trying to rally the troops to get the legislature to approve the grain pier and dredging the canal. The one Union guy is skeptical they can get the dredging and thinks they should focus on the grain pier at least. He also knows Frank is getting some shady financing and warns Frank to watch it.
Nick asks Vondas for help with Cheese and Ziggy. Vondas offers to whack Cheese, but Nick says no, it was Ziggy's fault and he doesn't want Cheese's people to retaliate later. Vondras says Nick is smart for turning that down (was it a test?) but Nick does ask for some muscle after he agrees to get the chemicals they need. Sergi (aka Boris) "negotiates" with Cheese for a sit down with Prop Joe. Prop Joe agrees to pay for the car because Segie vouches for Nick, but lets Nick know him and Ziggy would be "cadaverous mutha frickas" if not for his ties to Sergi. I love Prop Joe, I think he sympathizes with Nick over Ziggy because he's got family fricks ups, Cheese? as well.
After Nick gives Ziggy the money for the car is Ziggy appreciative? You'd think so after asking for help and getting it, but instead he buys the bar a round and sets a C Note on fire. If I was Nick I would have beat his arse over that, frick Ziggy.
McNulty takes his wife out on a date. He tells her he's "retired" from detective work, isn't drinking anymore and stop[ed fooling around and wants to get back together. She's not buying it buts does agree to frick. First Aimee's tits and now Elana's
But in the morning she kicks Jimmy out. Kind of feel bad for him, but also get why she'd be skeptical and wants to move on.
"I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase, all in the game though right?"
Omar gives the GOAT witness testimony in TV or cinematic history. The prosecutor is understandably skeptical, but puts him on anyway. He is brutally honest "Occupation? I rip and run. I robs drug dealers". Levy probably thought this was a slam dunk, he never saw Omar coming. Omar sees right through him, he knows Levy is sleeze but views it as just part of the game. Levy tries to discredit Omar which is impossible given Omar's brutal honesty. He think he has him with the Why should we believe you question, but Omar slams that hanging curve out of the park by saying its up to the jury. The jury is clearly eating Omar up, laughing at his comments, even judge Phelan is mesmerized by his testimony. The only time he comes close to getting rattled is when Levy says he'd kill Gant if he had to, which Omar flatly denies he would hurt anyone not in the game. It's checkmate Omar though when he turns it back on Levy. "just like you man" "I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase, all in the game though right?" Levy is speechless for the first time. Levy thinks he's painting Omar into a corner and Omar does it to him. FREAKING AWESOME, then in the hallway after telling Bird you think on Brandon. Jimmy asks, did you really see him shot the man? You really asking? OMAR
Outside of Omar, the big event from this episode is D getting taken out on Stringer's order. I'm not 100% sure why he does this. D is trying to break away from the family. He won't take less time by going along with Avon and tells his mom, you wanted me to stand up so that's what I'll do. We see him trying to change, he flushes his drugs, he's in book club talking about the Great Gatsby and see's himself in Gatsby as a man that can never out run his past. Stringer of course doesn't know this, but why would he take out D? Is it over Donette?
Is every SO of the cops a total bitch
We know Daniels wife is count but Kima's girl is a whiney bitch too. Bent out of shape Kima is going to a tittie bar to interview a stripper. The stripper saying she doesn't blame her for coming along though. Daniels refuses to take the 14 homicides because it will look bad on his detail. He realizes the 2nd chance and doesn't want to make it look bad. Russell and Freeman start the work of going thru the computers looking for patterns of missing containers. The paper trail is not for the Bunk, he goes out and gets drunk with Jimmy. Bunk fears if he doesn't clear the Jane Doe's Rawls will force him out. Jimmy decides he's "retired" from detective work and wants to get back with his wife.
The Union trying to rally the troops to get the legislature to approve the grain pier and dredging the canal. The one Union guy is skeptical they can get the dredging and thinks they should focus on the grain pier at least. He also knows Frank is getting some shady financing and warns Frank to watch it.
Nick asks Vondas for help with Cheese and Ziggy. Vondas offers to whack Cheese, but Nick says no, it was Ziggy's fault and he doesn't want Cheese's people to retaliate later. Vondras says Nick is smart for turning that down (was it a test?) but Nick does ask for some muscle after he agrees to get the chemicals they need. Sergi (aka Boris) "negotiates" with Cheese for a sit down with Prop Joe. Prop Joe agrees to pay for the car because Segie vouches for Nick, but lets Nick know him and Ziggy would be "cadaverous mutha frickas" if not for his ties to Sergi. I love Prop Joe, I think he sympathizes with Nick over Ziggy because he's got family fricks ups, Cheese? as well.
After Nick gives Ziggy the money for the car is Ziggy appreciative? You'd think so after asking for help and getting it, but instead he buys the bar a round and sets a C Note on fire. If I was Nick I would have beat his arse over that, frick Ziggy.
McNulty takes his wife out on a date. He tells her he's "retired" from detective work, isn't drinking anymore and stop[ed fooling around and wants to get back together. She's not buying it buts does agree to frick. First Aimee's tits and now Elana's
But in the morning she kicks Jimmy out. Kind of feel bad for him, but also get why she'd be skeptical and wants to move on.This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Outside of Omar, the big event from this episode is D getting taken out on Stringer's order. I'm not 100% sure why he does this. D is trying to break away from the family. He won't take less time by going along with Avon and tells his mom, you wanted me to stand up so that's what I'll do. We see him trying to change, he flushes his drugs, he's in book club talking about the Great Gatsby and see's himself in Gatsby as a man that can never out run his past. Stringer of course doesn't know this, but why would he take out D? Is it over Donette?
I think this was a horrible decision by Stringer. First, I've never heard of anyone taking the time and going to prison, then turning back. Second, Stringer got lucky that the cops and ME blew the investigation. Obviously that jail has issues but what if it goes bad? Third, for Dee to snitch he would have to not only put in Avon, but also would implicate his mom now since Dee has to know that she is now involved in the day to day.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
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This was done in 2003 not 1995. Is this supposed to be symbolic of a class thing, being left behind by technology?
i deal with tons of people today who are younger than me and all but refuse to use email and i doubt they know how to google well
Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:59 pm to H-Town Tiger
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yeah, it was. We didn't have smart phones yet, but the internet bubble blew up in 2001, so the internet was in widespread use by 2003. Certainly enough that someone under 30 should be more than vaguely familiar with it. Rather Nick seems search engines and digital cameras like my grandma.
man that was pre-facebook, son
college kids didn't even use the internet THAT much (i was in college at this time) let alone super poor and uneducated guys
Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
AOL mid-late 90s made the S you know and love
FTJ in the 2000s pre-Myspace
FTJ in the 2000s pre-Myspace
Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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college kids didn't even use the internet THAT much (i was in college at this time) let alone super poor and uneducated guys
My use was maybe 5% of now.
Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i deal with tons of people today who are younger than me and all but refuse to use email and i doubt they know how to google well
outside of work, i hardly use email any more myself, but that's because to get in touch with friends there are easier ways now, like text, FB etc.
and how can you not know how to google well? what is there to using a search engine? Yo telling me they can't type "Chemical X uses" and hit enter?
Now text messaging was new back then, hardly anyone used it.
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man that was pre-facebook, son
college kids didn't even use the internet THAT much (i was in college at this time) let alone super poor and uneducated guys
Man, this board started in 2001, by 2003 it was starting to grow
AOL, Mindspring and countless other ISP's had come and gone by 2003. I guess we have to agree to disagree, but i don't the Sobtakas are THAT poor, I'm i can buy someone like Wallace doesn't know this stuff, he's squatting with other kids in a project, running an extension cord just for minimal power, but a white 20 something doesn't even get a digital camera? Come on? How does Ziggy know all this stuff and Nick is as clueless as my 80 y/old grandma was in 2003, just not buying that. Stringer knew WorldCom, you telling me the guys on the docks never HEARD of Yahoo or AOL by 2003? He doesn't have to use a search engine daily to grasp how it works. This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 9:18 pm
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