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New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/20/15 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 8:13 pm
Anybody check this out yet? I binge watched it this week and man it was fantastic.
Tells the story of a man who gets thrown in jail for a rape he didn't commit. He is in prison for 18 years before being released (not a spoiler). When he gets out, he files a lawsuit against the county and then is mysteriously charged with murder. The series tells the story of the subsequent trial and whether or not he's been framed again.
It was really gripping stuff. Won't spoil anything. If you haven't checked it out definitely do.
Tells the story of a man who gets thrown in jail for a rape he didn't commit. He is in prison for 18 years before being released (not a spoiler). When he gets out, he files a lawsuit against the county and then is mysteriously charged with murder. The series tells the story of the subsequent trial and whether or not he's been framed again.
It was really gripping stuff. Won't spoil anything. If you haven't checked it out definitely do.
This post was edited on 12/24/15 at 8:04 pm
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:26 pm to LesGeaux45
I'm on episode 7 right now, still haven't decided if I think he's guilty or not yet.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 9:31 pm to Chuckd
Too many weird things going on with the evidence and the courrpt police department for me to think he did it. I also don't see what motivation he had considering he was on the verge of a huge monetary settlement.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:32 pm to LesGeaux45
Man the most fricked up part about this was how they did that 16 year old kid in episodes 3 and 4 he was so dumb and they just got him to say what ever even had him draw some pictures of what he did the sick fricks
It really pissed me off watching that those cops, his shitty lawyer, and that prick judge should be in prison or better yet dead
This is some crazy arse shite poor and stupid people beware of the police frickers are not to be trusted
It really pissed me off watching that those cops, his shitty lawyer, and that prick judge should be in prison or better yet dead
This is some crazy arse shite poor and stupid people beware of the police frickers are not to be trusted
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 7:53 am
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:39 pm to gatortrav88
I am on episode 6 I think.
It's hard for me to fathom that a police department would go to this level to frame someone but there was also an insane amount of money on the line with that lawsuit. You also think that someone involved would have slipped up.
With that said, man it sure seems like he is innocent.
The interrogations with the 16yr old were brutal.
It's hard for me to fathom that a police department would go to this level to frame someone but there was also an insane amount of money on the line with that lawsuit. You also think that someone involved would have slipped up.
With that said, man it sure seems like he is innocent.
The interrogations with the 16yr old were brutal.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:58 pm to hiltacular
It really is only 1-2 officers that had to frame him though not the whole department.
*slight spoiler*
Very coincidental that a detective deposed for misconduct in his lawsuit against the department volunteered to investigate his property and was the one who found the key. Oh, and he was the one who happened to admit, handle, and have continued access to his vial of blood in evidence at the clerks office.
Also, I love that there is no narrator to these episodes. Very well made.
*slight spoiler*
Very coincidental that a detective deposed for misconduct in his lawsuit against the department volunteered to investigate his property and was the one who found the key. Oh, and he was the one who happened to admit, handle, and have continued access to his vial of blood in evidence at the clerks office.
Also, I love that there is no narrator to these episodes. Very well made.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:11 am to Lunchbox48
**MILD SPOILERS**
Yeah I think the kid getting dragged into all of this is the worst part. He clearly has a severe learning disability and didn't understand the situation. The cops were feeding him what to say. I mean jeez the guy "admitted" to murdering and raping a woman and wanted to know if he would be back in class by sixth period.
Yeah I think the kid getting dragged into all of this is the worst part. He clearly has a severe learning disability and didn't understand the situation. The cops were feeding him what to say. I mean jeez the guy "admitted" to murdering and raping a woman and wanted to know if he would be back in class by sixth period.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:12 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:07 am to LesGeaux45
This is a must watch. Wow.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:13 am to hiltacular
quote:
The interrogations with the 16yr old were brutal.
SPECULATION/SPOILERS (THRU MIDDLE OF 4TH EP) BELOW
16yr old Brendan's "public defender" is SOOOOOOOOO one of the cops' cover up cronies. He didn't want to suppress the "confession" video in order to help Brendan in some way... He wanted it to never be seen because he KNEW how bad it made the detectives look and that once it was public - Avery's legal team could use it to pick the bogus charges apart.
I'm thinking Ol' Lawyer Len was the bullied kid when he was growing up and his tormentors are now "The Law" in town... and they offered him a little piece of the power he'd always wanted if he played ball with them in taking Avery down.
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quote:
It's hard for me to fathom that a police department would go to this level to frame someone but there was also an insane amount of money on the line with that lawsuit.
I think the main players in this thing were skimming money from the city, county, state and who knows what else... If they lose the lawsuit Avery had filed against them - They were going to have to open up their books when it came time to put a $ sign on reparations owed.... The figure would have to be one that was high...but not so high that they would be unable to pay it via "lump sum" or scheduled payments.
I think they knew they would be facing waaaaay more than just charges of grudge targeting if ever their financial records were subpoenaed.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 1:23 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:31 am to yurintroubl
I'm hoping at some point they show those confession videos in court
If they don't wow
Also it seems like Steve's lawyers should be more involved with Brennan you get him off and prove how they did that kid and that helps Steve
If they don't wow
Also it seems like Steve's lawyers should be more involved with Brennan you get him off and prove how they did that kid and that helps Steve
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 6:33 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:42 am to gatortrav88
I can believe that a couple officers would be willing and able to frame him but what becomes a stretch is how many others also seem to be involved.
There are like 20 different people that all seemed to conspire against Steve in some form or another. I don't know if the entire town is in on it or just seriously incompetent but nothing adds up.
The detectives that interviewed Brennan were from another department, right? I don't see what motives or reasoning they had to bring him in for questioning. The show made it seem like they literally pulled him out of school, why would they do this? They questioned him right after the incident and he was cleared. What changed after 4 months for them to suddenly start questioning him for hours on end?
There are like 20 different people that all seemed to conspire against Steve in some form or another. I don't know if the entire town is in on it or just seriously incompetent but nothing adds up.
The detectives that interviewed Brennan were from another department, right? I don't see what motives or reasoning they had to bring him in for questioning. The show made it seem like they literally pulled him out of school, why would they do this? They questioned him right after the incident and he was cleared. What changed after 4 months for them to suddenly start questioning him for hours on end?
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 7:43 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:29 am to gatortrav88
Brendan finally stands up for himself when he testified lol this a-hole questioning him is like "what book could YOU have possibly read that depicted a girl chained to a bed being raped and tortured?" And he tells em "kiss the girls"
Then they use the drawings they told him to draw against him this shite is despicable the way they treat this kid
Then they use the drawings they told him to draw against him this shite is despicable the way they treat this kid
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:29 am to hiltacular
The people have to believe in the system.
Cops are above reproach.
Judges are gods.
Lawyers become judges, retired judges become lawyers.
Nobody gives a shite about poor, stupid people and the Averys are degenerates.
The longer I watched I knew there was no way to overcome that verdict.
That defense team was really good. I'd like to watch a video of that whole trail now to see exactly what the jury saw bc the doc is pretty convincing, even the defense expert witness did a good job of rebuffing the FBI guy.
eta: removed spoiler
Cops are above reproach.
Judges are gods.
Lawyers become judges, retired judges become lawyers.
Nobody gives a shite about poor, stupid people and the Averys are degenerates.
The longer I watched I knew there was no way to overcome that verdict.
That defense team was really good. I'd like to watch a video of that whole trail now to see exactly what the jury saw bc the doc is pretty convincing, even the defense expert witness did a good job of rebuffing the FBI guy.
eta: removed spoiler
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:30 am to LesGeaux45
Clicks thread, quickly finds "Reply" button, comes in to say started the first episode last night and frick Manitowoc County and Steven Avery's cousin.
Trying to avoid everything cause there is some drama there for me on whether he killed the woman or was set up. But the first episode was great, tons of older footage, just really well done.
Trying to avoid everything cause there is some drama there for me on whether he killed the woman or was set up. But the first episode was great, tons of older footage, just really well done.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:45 am to hiltacular
quote:
I can believe that a couple officers would be willing and able to frame him but what becomes a stretch is how many others also seem to be involved.
The first 18 yrs he served he wasn't framed, he was singled out.
Obviously he was on the shite list and rightfully so.
But then he gets out, becomes a hero, and is about to get 36 million from the system that put him there, and they make note that some money will come directly from the cops pockets. And they got questioned, you don't question the law. I suspect they had a smidgen amount of motive.
Not all were directly involved, nothing wrong with saying run that test again, search there again, interrogate the 16 boy, etc.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:47 am to StickD
quote:
The first 18 yrs he served he wasn't framed, he was singled out.
Yeah, the first arrest was more about the cops wanting to close out the case asap because of the victim and her status within the community. Steve fit the description and was fresh on everyone's mind bc of the simultaneous issue with his cousin so they ran with it. They really only screwed up by not exploring Greg Allen when the facts started to come in.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:01 am to hiltacular
quote:
They really only screwed up by not exploring Greg Allen when the facts started to come in.
The whole thing where the cop's wife accused Steve of running out and jumping towards her car and making a deposit sounded A LOT like one of Greg Allen's incidents when they were running down his recent history of escalating bad behavior.
Anybody else catch that?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:42 am to yurintroubl
quote:
That defense team was really good.
I agree. Strang and Buting took a really tough argument to sell (police set someone up) and laid out an extremely compelling case.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:09 am to LesGeaux45
Finished this one up over the weekend, very captivating documentary.
MAJOR SPOILERS
The whole time I kept asking myself if Steve and Brenden didn't do it, who did? If it wasn't those two it would've had to have been orchestrated by someone highly intelligent and twisted. The DA who was arrested for sexting and who was the face of the prosecution really rubbed me the wrong way the whole documentary. Even before the story of his sexting and other issues were revealed, he just seemed like a really evil person....and extremely intelligent. There were a number of times he framed and led the defense into gotcha moments, almost effortlessly. I'm not saying he did it, but if I were looking for an alternate suspect I would start with that sumbitch.
MAJOR SPOILERS
The whole time I kept asking myself if Steve and Brenden didn't do it, who did? If it wasn't those two it would've had to have been orchestrated by someone highly intelligent and twisted. The DA who was arrested for sexting and who was the face of the prosecution really rubbed me the wrong way the whole documentary. Even before the story of his sexting and other issues were revealed, he just seemed like a really evil person....and extremely intelligent. There were a number of times he framed and led the defense into gotcha moments, almost effortlessly. I'm not saying he did it, but if I were looking for an alternate suspect I would start with that sumbitch.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:46 am to vuvuzela
I'll take a couple of guesses.
1) After 18 yrs in the pen, he snaps, says WTF I'm gonna kill a bitch. They can't catch me, I'm innocent.
2) A detective says frick this dirtbag coming after me. Stops her car down the road in BFE and asks her to step out of the vehicle. Pops her in the head a couple times, burns her right there. Place a couple blood smears, place the truck, place the ashes.
1) After 18 yrs in the pen, he snaps, says WTF I'm gonna kill a bitch. They can't catch me, I'm innocent.
2) A detective says frick this dirtbag coming after me. Stops her car down the road in BFE and asks her to step out of the vehicle. Pops her in the head a couple times, burns her right there. Place a couple blood smears, place the truck, place the ashes.
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