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re: My 9 y/o daughter's conclusion after seeing the climax in League of Their Own
Posted on 12/24/11 at 8:36 pm to Tigercat
Posted on 12/24/11 at 8:36 pm to Tigercat
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So, the question is, is one so certain of Dotties awesomeness that she can only have lost by giving it to Kit, going contrary to what either character wants on the field, and going contrary to the lessons and best flow of the movie?
i think that helping family meant more than the game, in the end, and that was the indirect point
fwiw, i've gone easy on family before and even when i was in sports i went easy on hapless foes on occasion. it just felt right. sometimes i just had to say frick my team and my ego.
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Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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Like I said, if it did not matter to her, then she'd have kept driving to Oregon.
i think the point is, is that when her sister was rounding the bases, she realized she needed to give her sister the break.
Logically this can't be right - for the various reasons I've posted earlier - and for the reason that the construct of the story predicts her dropping the ball. The quote mentions Oregon and her husband returning home...she almost left the game to return to her regular life - while Kit is still heavily invested in playing baseball.
The story arc demands that Dottie dropped the ball as the result of those two competing forces...her heart was no longer in the game. Kit raised her game while Dottie had one foot off the diamond...playing the game somewhat reluctantly. Tom Hanks preached all movie that baseball demanded that commitment...this wasn't just a diversion to take lightly. Kit raises her game and surpasses Dottie because Dottie has emotionally moved on. Dottie was the best player but she wasn't perfect...she was a competitor who excelled when her heart as in the game. Kit cared more...she grew up, beat her older sister finally (as the movie demands) and Dottie smiles with pride. There's no way she wants her sister struck out (by giving her pitcher the key to striking out Kit) demands the relay quickly (looking nervous they aren't going to be able to tag Kit out) and then suddenly change her mind once she gets hit...that yes, she wants her sister to hit the game winning hit. This reasoning is heartwarming but it's not how the movie was constructed. It's everyone else projecting their own feelings on it.
This post was edited on 12/25/11 at 1:08 am
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:06 am to udtiger
She didn't drop it on purpose.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 1:11 am to Zamoro10
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The story arc demands that Dottie dropped the ball as the result of those two competing forces...her heart was no longer in the game. Kit raised her game while Dottie had one foot off the diamond...playing the game somewhat reluctantly. Tom Hanks preached all movie that baseball demanded that commitment...this wasn't just a diversion to take lightly. Kit raises her game and surpasses Dottie because Dottie has emotionally moved on. Dottie was the best player but she wasn't perfect...she was a competitor who excelled when her heart as in the game. Kit cared more...she grew up, beat her older sister finally (as the movie demands) and Dottie smiles with pride. There's no way she wants her sister struck out (by giving her pitcher the key to striking out Kit) demands the relay quickly (looking nervous they aren't going to be able to tag Kit out) and then suddenly change her mind once she gets hit...that yes, she wants her sister to hit the game winning hit. This reasoning is heartwarming but it's not how the movie was constructed. It's everyone else projecting their own feelings on it.
This.
Posted on 12/25/11 at 10:43 am to Tigercat
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contrary to the lessons and best flow of the movie?
The only lesson we got from the movie:
"There's no crying in baseball."
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this movie is about women (doing something that was done just by men) getting paid to play a sport and learning it was just a job
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She tried her hardest to beat even her sister, but came up short. (That's baseball!) This would go correctly with Dotties true nature.
This ending reflects the motives of the girls, the movie,
Couldn't an ending of dropping the ball on purpose show that she was wrong to have been so competitive for most of the movie? Isn't there the possibility that letting her sister's team win and sharing the spotlight with her was more important than winning.
Couldn't Marshall have wanted to show that it took a World War and the subsequent taking over of male dominated endeavors by females, to show men that harmony was more important than competent? Wasn't the playing of baseball by women just a more entertaining metaphor for women working in factories, driving trucks and taking over other tasks men had always done?
Maybe we all need to go all Melvin Udall and take away reason and accountability.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 4:33 pm to Freauxzen
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Damn people are taking this seriously.
There are only 2 things in this world that I genuinely hate. And I mean deep down in the depths of my soul, genuinely hate. That is 1) sweet potatoes; and 2) low down sons of bitches who adamantly argue that Dottie dropped that ball on purpose.
I swear to God I will go to my grave trying to wipe from the face of the Earth "dropped it on purposers" and their sick philosophy. You people literally make me sick...
Posted on 12/27/11 at 4:41 pm to Zamoro10
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her heart was no longer in the game.
exactly, so why not let her sister have the glory when it wouldn't affect her at all?
at that moment, she realized the game meant shite to her. she could let her sister have all the glory and it came at no cost to her
win-win
i have done this EXACT same thing before
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/27/11 at 4:41 pm to ChewyDante
There is just no way she dropped it on purpose. That would ruin the movie.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 7:14 pm to ChewyDante
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I genuinely hate sweet potatoes
No hope for you at all.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 7:25 pm to chinese58
This is a movie aimed at women not men. She dropped the ball on purpose in the name of sisterhood.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:02 pm to xenythx
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Ah yes, this great debate again.
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She definitely dropped it on purpose.
Nothing in the movie supports this.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 11:24 pm to udtiger
I had no idea this was even a point of contention. How could any sane mother fricker watch this movie and not know that Dottie dropped the ball on purpose. I thought this was universally understood. frick those who think differently 
Dottie didn't give a shite any more. Little sis ate shite and pissed the game. There was always an underlying motherly care that Dottie gave to Kit. Dottie saw her chance to let Kit have her glory when she dropped the ball on purpose. No way anyone would believe she did it on purpose which was the perfect cover for what she did which at its essence was lift her sister up like a mother would to her child. How can people not see this. This story was about way more than 2 sisters competing for a championship.
Dottie didn't give a shite any more. Little sis ate shite and pissed the game. There was always an underlying motherly care that Dottie gave to Kit. Dottie saw her chance to let Kit have her glory when she dropped the ball on purpose. No way anyone would believe she did it on purpose which was the perfect cover for what she did which at its essence was lift her sister up like a mother would to her child. How can people not see this. This story was about way more than 2 sisters competing for a championship.
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 12/27/11 at 11:49 pm to SJS101
Look, Dottie was better in every single way. Kit always had an inferiority complex. Dottie was hotter, more likable, and a better athlete. She knew that her sister needed a win and would mean infinitely more to her. So she dropped the ball. Nothing in the movie ever suggested that Kit had the potential to outperform Dottie. If she had some hidden fire inside that would someday put her over the top, they would have hinted to it during the film. Instead, they spent the entire time making it clear that Dottie was the alpha.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 6:37 am to udtiger
well she's never gonna play again, why not make it a more memorable series for her and fam, not just the fans and players
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:26 pm to chinese58
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The only lesson we got from the movie:
"There's no crying in baseball."
And that we should avoid the clap.
P.S. - she dropped it on purpose.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:28 pm to udtiger
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"Dottie dropped it on purpose."
She did. Dude.
And why the shite would you scream at your daughter about that? Are you borderline psychotic?
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:32 pm to udtiger
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Hell no! She's too much of a competitor and would not frick over her teammates like that. No point in turning around at Yellowstone if you are going to throw the Series.
Dottie was a woman.
She dropped it on purpose, and it doesn't have to make a lick of sense to you.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:39 pm to Fletch F Fletch
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I always thought she dropped it on purpose. It's evident in the smile she has when she looks back to see Kit being carried off the field.
Doesn't mean Kit isn't a Kunt...
this.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:49 pm to BayouBengals03
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The story arc demands that Dottie dropped the ball as the result of those two competing forces...her heart was no longer in the game. Kit raised her game while Dottie had one foot off the diamond...playing the game somewhat reluctantly. Tom Hanks preached all movie that baseball demanded that commitment...this wasn't just a diversion to take lightly. Kit raises her game and surpasses Dottie because Dottie has emotionally moved on. Dottie was the best player but she wasn't perfect...she was a competitor who excelled when her heart as in the game. Kit cared more...she grew up, beat her older sister finally (as the movie demands) and Dottie smiles with pride. There's no way she wants her sister struck out (by giving her pitcher the key to striking out Kit) demands the relay quickly (looking nervous they aren't going to be able to tag Kit out) and then suddenly change her mind once she gets hit...that yes, she wants her sister to hit the game winning hit. This reasoning is heartwarming but it's not how the movie was constructed. It's everyone else projecting their own feelings on it.
This.
Is about the damn dumbest thing I've ever read. Tom Hanks didn't preach about having to commit to the game at all in the movie. The story arc was (a) about Dottie playing baseball reluctantly and for funsies all the while keeping her eye on the most important thing in her life: family; and (b) about Kit who was the constant underachiever in everything trying to come out of the shadow of her big sister. The arc is fulfilled when Dottie sacrifices glory for her family and helps Kit get out from her shadow. Both sisters walk off the field with pride. Dottie never cared about winning games. At least not enough to override her feelings for Kit and her man.
In any case, who gives a shite? You don't yell at a child or get upset because he or she has an insight into a movie that you disagree with. Jesus.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:53 pm to LoveThatMoney
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In any case, who gives a shite? You don't yell at a child or get upset because he or she has an insight into a movie that you disagree with. Jesus.
I didn't yell at her...read the damned OP again. It was also intended to be "tongue in cheek" since this has been an ongoing feud on this board. That said, I stand by my argument that Kit knocked the ball out, Dottie did not drop it on purpose.
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