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Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:09 pm to Baloo
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But I really will never understand people who say they want small government but then support a large military. That, to me, is f'n insane. If you don't trust the government, you don't want them to have an organized fighting force. That's how governments throughout all of history have suppressed the people, dating back to the Romans.
I think it is vitally necessary to have not only a large but also a technologically advanced military but that it is also vital to ensure that the Posse Comitatus Act and other safeguards are always maintained.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:09 pm to blueboy
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I completely disagree. The film brilliantly portrays the unbelievably high stress level of soldiers in modern combat, specifically ones who have to do jobs like the main character.
Didn't Bigelow get shite from the Hollywood elite for not making it political? I know she did in Zero Dark Thirty for not condemning water boarding.
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Did you miss the scene in which he attempts to go home and can't deal with everyday family life any more? How did that "fetishize military service?"
It didn't. Not in any way.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:16 pm to elprez00
quote:Wait, hold on. There was a waterboarding scene. Where did she champion waterboarding? If I missed it, I apologize.
Didn't Bigelow get shite from the Hollywood elite for not making it political? I know she did in Zero Dark Thirty for not condemning water boarding.
To me, I saw it as Chastain's character not being very comfortable with it at all. It was a nice balance of someone on the outside (Mia) not being comfortable with it and someone who sees it everyday (the soldier with the poofy hair, can't remember his name...Josh?).
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:19 pm to USMCTiger03
No most Americans are just stupid when it comes to politics. We're so conservative that we think someone like Obama is a liberal, and he is for American politics I guess. But not worldwide, or historically. We're probably the most conservative first world country in the world, depending on if you consider Russia and China first world.
Jill Stein, Stewart Alexander, Alexis Tsipras, Mandela, etc are true liberals, just because Obama is more liberal than you doesn't make him "liberal." If you weight 400 pounds and I way 350, I'm skinnier than you but it doesn't mean I'm skinny. He's much closer to Mitt Romney than he is those guys
Jill Stein, Stewart Alexander, Alexis Tsipras, Mandela, etc are true liberals, just because Obama is more liberal than you doesn't make him "liberal." If you weight 400 pounds and I way 350, I'm skinnier than you but it doesn't mean I'm skinny. He's much closer to Mitt Romney than he is those guys
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:19 pm to The Sad Banana
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Wait, hold on. There was a waterboarding scene. Where did she champion waterboarding?
Sorry, I misinterpreted you comment.
She didn't champion it, she presented it as it happened. She got shite from some of the leftists for not having someone come out and condemn the agent leading the investigation. They didn't insert a scene where Chastain had a big monologue about how terrible it was.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:22 pm to The Sad Banana
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I'm not a leftist and I certainly don't agree with them. However, just realize that what you said could be seen through a liberal lens as "some of it was spot on, some of it was right-wing bullshite".
I dont want to start a political pissing match. I dont see what part of it is right wing. They werent advocating for any conservative stuff. Whether or not its bullshite is certainly up for debate but the movie is clearly a left leaning agenda/ ideology.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:23 pm to elprez00
quote:This is where I tend to have a problem with Hollywood. If they had that in the movie, I'd probably not care. But, it wasn't in the movie and Bigelow portrayed it straight down the middle, yet Hollywood has to tell her how to write her movie?
She didn't champion it, she presented it as it happened. She got shite from some of the leftists for not having someone come out and condemn the agent leading the investigation. They didn't insert a scene where Chastain had a big monologue about how terrible it was.
That's where I get redass.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:24 pm to elprez00
quote:the horror
They didn't insert a scene where Chastain had a big monologue about how terrible it was.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:25 pm to USMCTiger03
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I think it is vitally necessary to have not only a large but also a technologically advanced military but that it is also vital to ensure that the Posse Comitatus Act and other safeguards are always maintained.
Agreed. The framers were afraid of a localized military controlled by the government within the borders of the united states used to control the citizens. This fear is much closer to the TSA/NSA/FBI/ATF than it is the national military.
In the 1600s the kings army was used to abuse citizens in their homes. Literally he would send his soldiers into your homes and frick your life up.
The current army/navy/air force is not what the framers were afraid of.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:31 pm to tigerfan88
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No most Americans are just stupid when it comes to politics. We're so conservative that we think someone like Obama is a liberal, and he is for American politics I guess. But not worldwide, or historically. We're probably the most conservative first world country in the world, depending on if you consider Russia and China first world.
I think the context is more relevant than the global comparison. In this context, Obama is insanely liberal, perhaps even, contrary to what you state, on a global scale as well. Assuming Conservative as being construed as small government-minded, he's the farthest thing from conservative.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:32 pm to elprez00
quote:I don't remember her getting shite for it at the time, but I do remember the ZD30 nonsense. I don't see how liberal Hollywood would be disappointed with the way she made him look as though he was permanently fricked in the head due to military service.
Didn't Bigelow get shite from the Hollywood elite for not making it political? I know she did in Zero Dark Thirty for not condemning water boarding.
I think she tried to be as honest as possible. If Hollywood wanted more lefty dogma, that's their problem, and a pretty disturbing trend - ostracizing people for NOT putting liberal messages in their films.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:37 pm to Qwerty
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Well Obama is actually conservative as shite. If you graph him out on political graph his stances are basically the same as Bush's. At the moment we're a pretty conservative country
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What's confusing is that Bush was quite liberal in many respects, such as big government control of finance, education, industry, health care, to name a few. The left demonized him, but he pushed much of the liberal agenda and led a staggering expansion of federal government scope and power.
Neither is far right or far left in the way the permanently campaigning screech owls in Washington would have you believe.
They are both corporate neo centrists with Bush leaning slightly right and Obama leaning slightly left.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:47 pm to Breesus
Does Lolita count (both adaptations, but particularly the more recent one)? Obviously it's no endorsement of pedophilia, but Nabokov, and thus the film, brilliantly lulls you into sympathizing with Humbert.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:50 pm to elprez00
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Didn't Bigelow get shite from the Hollywood elite for not making it political? I know she did in Zero Dark Thirty for not condemning water boarding.
she did. And frick them for that. It happened, and she was telling the story of what happened. To leave it out would be lying.
I mentioned the Hurt Locker because it's the best recent war movie I could think of, but I did expand it to all war movies. The US army co-operates with Hollywood to make war movies that serve as recruitment films (Top Gun being the best example). War movies tend to be right wing (though you do have your left-wing anti-war war movies like Apocalypse Now). But I love war movies. All of 'em. Don't care about the politics, don't care that the army is literally funneling money to Hollywood to make slick looking recruiting videos. I know they do it, but it gives us better war movies. I'm all in.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:54 pm to The Sad Banana
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Where did she champion waterboarding? If I missed it, I apologize.
She didn't - I thought Zero Dark Thirty was about as staight forward, morally neutral exposition of the source material as possible. That story was about the daywalker gal spy getting Bin Laden and the unpleasant things that happened along the way, period.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:59 pm to REG861
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Does Lolita count (both adaptations, but particularly the more recent one)?
Let's talk about the 1962 one for a minute:
A. Kubrick
B. Miss Moneypenny as the nurse
C. Shelley Winters had already started to turn, but was still youngish (42)
D. Peter fricking Sellers
E. James Mason
Complete mindfrick in retrospect... One of the trippiest movies ever, if you watch it now (part of it was censorship, and part of it was the above list of ingredients.)
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:59 pm to USMCTiger03
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Assuming Conservative as being construed as small government-minded
I reject that assumption. Conservatives want big government, too. They just want it to do different things. Conservatives supported a large military, the largest discretionary line item in the budget. The religious right supports pretty invasive laws to control the rights of gays and women. The rank and file GOP largely supported corporate welfare.
Opposing entitlement spending and the EPA doesn't make you pro-small government. There is no politician elected to national office who does not believe in large, powerful government. Not one. Anyone who says different is lying, and if you believe them, shame on you for believing such an obvious lie.
Maybe a true libertarian believes in small government, but I've never met one who actually held political office.
ETA: But we're getting a little far afield, and I apologize.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:01 pm to USMCTiger03
He is not the furthest thing from conservative at all. If you want to take the two economic extremes, let's say Ayn Rand for conservatives and I guess hard core communism for liberals, then Obama is much closer to Rand than he is communism. And certainly on a global scale we don't even come close to being as liberal as our Western European or first world Asian brethren. Obama and David Cameron have almost the exact same economic policies, and Obama is actually more conservative on social issues. David Cameron is the head of Britains Conservative party. Not that there's anything wrong with that. 
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:11 pm to CAD703X
I've never watched a movie and actually cared about the politics or agenda.
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