re: Most Powerful Jedi?

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Overall though, I'd probably go with Anakin or Obi-Wan

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I can't claim credit, but agree:

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Casting aside any fanboy ******** and looking at the straight facts, who gets limbs cut off and who loses fights, Obi-Wan Kenobi is the clear winner.

- Defeats Maul (Qui-Gon couldn't)
- Defeats Grievous
- Holds own against Jango Fett, which even *s***** Coleman Trebor couldn't.
- Defeats Anakin, the "chosen one".
- Survives the Jedi purge, which only he and Yoda manage.

Obi-Wan did all this without losing sight of the morality of the Jedi. And he had a bad feeling about events all along, when other Jedi spurned him. He knew Palpatine was a bad guy, when others made fun of his political views.

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Also, given how little training he received, and late he received it (remember, Anakin at age 10 or whatever was considered too old), Luke was pretty damn badass.

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Yoda specifically. I got the THX remastered SW VHS trilogy for my bday shortly after it was released. I was never big into the movies before then, so I took these movies to be the SW gospel. I don't like the new 'special edition/greedo shoots first/CGI trilogy' for example because it goes against my 'learning' of the SW universe. So, when I see footage of a CG Yoda flipping around and fighting w/ a miniature lightsaber in the prequels, I find that it goes against my grain. I may be narrow-minded in my judgment, but that's just my opinion.

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I get this. It just seemed like you were claiming that Yoda the wise hermit and Yoda the powerful combatant are mutually exclusive.

I didn't find it hard to digest that prequel CG Yoda is some kind of kickass Miyagi figure, but his fight sequences were obviously designed to suit the atmosphere of lightsaber porn rather than any kind of coherent narrative structure.

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Casting aside any fanboy ******** and looking at the straight facts, who gets limbs cut off and who loses fights, Obi-Wan Kenobi is the clear winner.

- Defeats Maul (Qui-Gon couldn't)
- Defeats Grievous
- Holds own against Jango Fett, which even *s***** Coleman Trebor couldn't.
- Defeats Anakin, the "chosen one".
- Survives the Jedi purge, which only he and Yoda manage.

Obi-Wan did all this without losing sight of the morality of the Jedi. And he had a bad feeling about events all along, when other Jedi spurned him. He knew Palpatine was a bad guy, when others made fun of his political views.


Also, given how little training he received, and late he received it (remember, Anakin at age 10 or whatever was considered too old), Luke was pretty damn badass.

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Exactly my point. Had Anakin not gone to the dark side, he clearly had potential to be the most powerful Jedi ever. But Obi-Wan is and always has been my favorite. Such a badass in his younger days when he took out some of the most powerful sith and then in his older days when he trained Luke from beyond the grave.

I agree that all things considered Luke was powerful, but I've never been a huge fan of his. He beat a well past his prime Vader and was getting his arse kicked by Sidious. Anakin was always a more interesting character and truly better than Luke imo. I feel like he could have killed the emperor if he wanted to pre-injury

Mace Windu, clearly the most powerful, but george lucas and co. decided to ruin all that.

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Have you seen that hilarious but very long review of I to III on youtube? It's awesome.

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I think Landshark types up Mr. Plinkett's weekly newsletter.

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I have to go with Windu on this one. Almost took out the emperor all by himself. I realize the emperor may not have been at the peak of powers at that time but that is still pretty awesome.

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I think that the Emperor was waiting on Anakin to arrive. He could have just whipped his at any moment he wanted to.

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I think Landshark types up Mr. Plinkett's weekly newsletter.

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Bimonthly actually Always try to keep the board informed.

How about this:

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I am new to this star wars thing .. and just got into it having a deep interesting in its sci fi aspect and its philosophy.

I am not an expert in these matters, but perhaps this interpretation may be of help.
I am from an enginerring/business background, and am fond of quantitative ways of explaning things - so forgive me if the following explanation sounds nerdy:

potential jedi power = f(midiclorin, efficient use of midiclorin) ---> in general the more midi u have, the great the liklihood of your power

actual jedi power = summation (midiclorin use)

midiclorin use = {wisdom, strength, skill, charity, prediction of future, extra-ordinary power}



EXAMPLE 1: (easy case)
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A has 50 midi
B has 40 midi
A and B have same midi efficiency
Therefore A has a higher jedi potential than B


EXAMPLE 2: Efficiency
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A has 50 midi
B has 40 midi
B has a greater midi efficiency than A
Therefore B has a higher jedi potential than A


**** IMPORTANT ***
Notice that the _efficient_ use of midi produces the end jedi power.
This is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT because most of jedi literature is based on Chinesse/Zen philosophy and martial arts.

An analogy is the best way to explain:
2 students (A and B) approach a master (M)
A has more raw skill and potential than B ---> i.e. A has greater midi than B
Both A and B start their training to HONE their midi to increase their midi-use abilities {wisdom, skills, etc.}
A is inefficient in his learning (e.g. lazy, arrogant, etc.)
B is efficient in his learning (e.g. dedicated, persistent, consistent, etc.)
as a result despite the fact that A has a higher (jedi) potential than B,
B has a higher actual (jedi) power than A.


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I reject the notion of midichlorians, so frick that.

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I have no idea on what the hell you're talking about. I mean I thought I was a Star Wars nerd, but I have no clue what you are talking about.

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I'm talking about the seven established lightsaber forms. They're just different stances/techniques designed for different situations. For example, a Jedi probably wouldn't use a form dedicated to duels with other force-wielders if he were facing a volley of blaster fire, or fending off several Sith at once. Some races are predisposed to excel at certain forms because of enhanced senses or limb flexibility. It's a more expanded version of the various forms in Chinese martial arts.