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Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:43 pm to theunknownknight
Is it a fact that all schizophrenics suffer from sever amnesia of their hallucinations? Interesting.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:45 pm to Peazey
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Is it a fact that all schizophrenics suffer from sever amnesia of their hallucinations? Interesting.
It's a fact you posted this without reading the thread in its entirety.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:45 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Just a cursory reading of the OT shows god as being 100% unlike the god Christians portray
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:45 pm to theunknownknight
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Yet retained all knowledge and experience enough to write it (or have it written) down coherently? Schizo's can't roll like that.
Not to get into a huge argument about the merits of religion but to view the story from a historical perspective, as you imply above, flies in the face of all the historical and anthropological evidence that implicitly suggests that the Jews were never enslaved in mass in Egypt and that there was never a mass exodus (at least as the Bible describes it). If you remove all of the events of his story the chances of Moses being a real guy are pretty slim. Therefor if we want to discuss if the character of the story is schizophrenic that's one thing, but an argument against it cant be that he coherently wrote the story himself.
Also, if we accept that Moses did exist and wrote down all of whats in the bible, and we now know that those events are unlikely, that might strengthen the notion that he was a schizo haha.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:46 pm to theunknownknight
Those stories were written and rewritten over hundreds of years. You can go ahead and believe Moses wrote that shite down as is if you want but that pretty damn silly IMO.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:49 pm to Dr RC
well Christian Bale is officially theantichrist according to my mother
she already hated him for that rant he had, this certainly wont help
she already hated him for that rant he had, this certainly wont help
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:51 pm to theunknownknight
You said that schizophrenia prevents people retaining knowledge and experiences. Those were your words. That is how your words are to be interpretted. Or maybe you are trying to say that schizophrenics cannot be highly functioning. You can crawfish out of that if that's your position.
Hester Carries perspective is probably a more interesting one though.
ETA: Also, the assumption that there is proof of direct authorship by Moses may seem somewhat silly to some people.
Hester Carries perspective is probably a more interesting one though.
ETA: Also, the assumption that there is proof of direct authorship by Moses may seem somewhat silly to some people.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:51 pm to wildtigercat93
The "barbaric" comment is interesting, and seems intended to inflame.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:54 pm to sicboy
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The "barbaric" comment is interesting, and seems intended to inflame.
It definitely is. Bale is stirring up some controversy to get attention for his movie.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:55 pm to Hester Carries
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Not to get into a huge argument about the merits of religion but to view the story from a historical perspective, as you imply above, flies in the face of all the historical and anthropological evidence that implicitly suggests that the Jews were never enslaved in mass in Egypt and that there was never a mass exodus (at least as the Bible describes it). If you remove all of the events of his story the chances of Moses being a real guy are pretty slim. Therefor if we want to discuss if the character of the story is schizophrenic that's one thing, but an argument against it cant be that he coherently wrote the story himself.
I shouldn't have to point out the obvious but...
If the story is fiction, as you seem to imply, Moses could not be schizo...because in the world presented, he's acting as expected.
If the story is real, Moses would obviously not be schizo.
If the story is about a real man who made this all up in his mind and wrote it all down thinking it was real...then he would be schizo. I maintain, given the complexity and flow of the Torah, a schizo could not complete it in that fashion. So that leaves you with Moses being a con-man.
If someone ELSE wrote it about Moses, if you read the Torah, THEY believed Moses heard from God. Therefore, Moses would not be the schizo here. And that still doesn't answer the sustained complexity issue.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:55 pm to Peazey
Same thing with The Davinci Code
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:00 pm to Peazey
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You said that schizophrenia prevents people retaining knowledge and experiences. Those were your words. That is how your words are to be interpretted.
You seem like you are having trouble understanding what I have written. If you can't follow a thread in the very context in which you exist, how can I hold any validity to any claim you make related to your understanding of an ancient document written in an ancient language in an ancient culture?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:11 pm to theunknownknight
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If someone ELSE wrote it about Moses, if you read the Torah, THEY believed Moses heard from God. Therefore, Moses would not be the schizo here. And that still doesn't answer the sustained complexity issue.
Disclaimer: I dont think he was real so this is for arguements sake.
If someone else wrote it down after hearing Moses talk about talking to God and believed him that doesnt make them schizophrenic. It makes them gullible. If Moses was lying, then yes he was a conman. Just because they believed him and wrote it down doesnt exempt him from being schizophrenic. He could very well believe what hes convincing others of.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:16 pm to Hester Carries
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If someone else wrote it down after hearing Moses talk about talking to God and believed him that doesnt make them schizophrenic. It makes them gullible. If Moses was lying, then yes he was a conman. Just because they believed him and wrote it down doesnt exempt him from being schizophrenic. He could very well believe what hes convincing others of.
Well that's not compelling at all in relation to making Moses a schizo. You just added another or two of suppositions to get to the previous supposition.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:17 pm to theunknownknight
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You seem like you are having trouble understanding what I have written. If you can't follow a thread in the very context in which you exist, how can I hold any validity to any claim you make related to your understanding of an ancient document written in an ancient language in an ancient culture?
All of the above is an ad hominem and refusal to recognize the very reasoning on which your point relies. It is the primary fallacy on which you have relied from your very first post. It is all attack and no substance. If you can't even have a conversation without relying on a logical fallacy, how can you be expected to say anything of value?
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:19 pm to Peazey
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The "barbaric" comment is interesting, and seems intended to inflame.
It definitely is. Bale is stirring up some controversy to get attention for his movie.
Much of what Moses did, or what was done under his watch, could easily be considered barbaric. The slaughtering, for example
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:22 pm to theunknownknight
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Well that's not compelling at all in relation to making Moses a schizo. You just added another or two of suppositions to get to the previous supposition.
How do you figure? You limited the possibilities to 3 situations and showed how in none of them would Moses have been schizophrenic. I explained how those are not the only 3 possibilities (or even the 3 most likely) and that in some Moses could still be deranged/confused.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:26 pm to Hester Carries
It's hard to say whether a guy, who may or may not have existed, from thousands of years ago in the Middle East, was schizo or not. But through the ages, there's always been a fine line between "talking to god" and having a mental disorder. I guess if you think Moses was sane, then you have to believe everything in the Torah really happened. And that's tough to do.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:28 pm to Peazey
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All of the above is an ad hominim and refusal to recognize the very reasoning on which your point relies. It is the primary fallacy on which you have relied from your very first post. It is all attack and no substance. If you can't even have a conversation without relying on a logical fallacy, how can you be expected to say anything of value?
What I just responded to you was not ad hominem to the trained eye. It was an a fortiori argument with a hint reductio ad absurdum.
The "fallacy" is you couldn't recognize it because you probably aren't looking past your nose (was that ad hominem???
) You have yet to accurately address any formal point or argument I have made and then you turn around and essentially say that I have relied primarily on "all attack and no substance" logic?
Have you even read the thread? Spoiler alert!!
That question is not an "attack". It's me trying to ascertain if I am wasting my time discussing this with you.
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