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re: Marvel/Sony Spider-Man meeting in Jan, Feige wants Avi Arad out
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:31 pm to JombieZombie
Posted on 1/14/15 at 6:31 pm to JombieZombie
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Avengers don't need Spider-Man but it would still be huge if Marvel attained him, it would mean good things for the character and franchise, which has been tightening the noose since Spidey 2.
Do you even Civil War, bro?
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:21 pm to Freauxzen
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owever, this is a big play for post-IW MCU which is where Marvel will have problems. You're looking at losing Evans, and at least 2-3 others. Most likely more
While I agree with the post, I don't think it's as big of a deal for the mcu as it is for say the Xmen.
Slight spoilers just in case.
Evans is covered with Sebastian Stan since in the comics Bucky takes over as Cap. I bet in Civil War Steve "dies" and Bucky becomes the new Captain America. Tony probably has a part in it, so he steps away, which solves RDJs issues. Plus you've already got Ant Man, Black Panther, I'm assuming Vision and Scarlet Witch plus GOG. Throw in Hulk since we've already had three different actors, although I love Ruffalo. Then you can always bring back Tony and Steve for Infinity War, which allows Evans and RDJ to get a break. You've got a solid passing of the torch there with the option to bring back the big guys without altering the comic canon too drastically.
OTOH, Jackman is Wolverine. Wolverine is Jackman. First Class and DOFP established that. While I get that there are other interesting characters in the XMen universe, they haven't done much to stop featuring Logan in all of the stories, plus he's a pretty central character in the XMen universe. Do you recast Logan? When do you do it? IMHO, you can't just omit wolverine from the XMen.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:43 pm to elprez00
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Slight spoilers just in case.
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Evans is covered with Sebastian Stan since in the comics Bucky takes over as Cap. I bet in Civil War Steve "dies" and Bucky becomes the new Captain America. Tony probably has a part in it, so he steps away, which solves RDJs issues. Plus you've already got Ant Man, Black Panther, I'm assuming Vision and Scarlet Witch plus GOG. Throw in Hulk since we've already had three different actors, although I love Ruffalo. Then you can always bring back Tony and Steve for Infinity War, which allows Evans and RDJ to get a break. You've got a solid passing of the torch there with the option to bring back the big guys without altering the comic canon too drastically.
Agreed. But Post IW is what I'm talking about. I agree that they have Ant-Man, Panther, et el, but the issue I fear is Marvel striking gold twice. They hit it big with RDJ, then followed that up with solid casting all around. Nobody's perfect, so one of these may not pan out well. Spider-Man just gives them another big play, although they'll need someone at the level of RDJ to continue carrying the universe. I'm not even sure the SW, AM, BP trio can do that.
Maybe.
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OTOH, Jackman is Wolverine. Wolverine is Jackman. First Class and DOFP established that. While I get that there are other interesting characters in the XMen universe, they haven't done much to stop featuring Logan in all of the stories, plus he's a pretty central character in the XMen universe. Do you recast Logan? When do you do it? IMHO, you can't just omit wolverine from the XMen.
Well said.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:48 pm to Dr RC
Have him fist fight En Sabah Nur
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:32 pm to elprez00
Plus Thor has a boatload of replacements in his life too.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:52 pm to Freauxzen
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Plus Thor has a boatload of replacements in his life too.
Very true
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Post IW is what I'm talking about. I agree that they have Ant-Man, Panther, et el, but the issue I fear is Marvel striking gold twice. They hit it big with RDJ, then followed that up with solid casting all around. Nobody's perfect, so one of these may not pan out well. Spider-Man just gives them another big play, although they'll need someone at the level of RDJ to continue carrying the universe. I'm not even sure the SW, AM, BP trio can do that.
Hell, that's what another five years from now? More? At that point, I think you can recast the main characters, especially if you've given the audience a break from Cap, IM, Thor. Adding Spidey is a great move, no doubt. And I think RDJ is a perfect casting for Stark. But if you put them on hiatus for a few films, bring in the second roster, I think you can recast and bring back the originals without causing a huge issue. That's assuming they want to keep these movies going on forever.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 12:39 am to elprez00
I wonder how much it would cost for Marvel to buy back the F4, Spidey, and the X-groups. If they got back all of their properties, they could make movies from now until fricking forever. Wouldn't that be worth whatever the price tag is now in the long run?
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 12:40 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:29 am to Dr RC
1. Everyone saying the avengers don't need Spidey and Marvel doesn't need Spidey holding them back have lost their fricking minds. A Spiderman movie done by Marvel would be awesome. And Spiderman in the avengers movies would be fantastic.
2. Marvel and Fox are slugging it out. Sony should definitely be taking advantage.
2. Marvel and Fox are slugging it out. Sony should definitely be taking advantage.
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 8:33 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:32 am to Shiftyplus1
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wonder how much it would cost for Marvel to buy back the F4, Spidey, and the X-groups. If they got back all of their properties, they could make movies from now until fricking forever. Wouldn't that be worth whatever the price tag is now in the long run?
For a Marvel Fanboy like me. That's worth more than money. Marvel has been knocking it out the park with these movies. I hope they never stop. And if they got back Spiderman and FF and the characters associated. Holy shite.
I'd love them to get x-men back to, but days of future past was absolutely on par with anything Marvel has done.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 8:59 am to Breesus
Everyone can have a break if they would just make PLANET frickING HULK! Hulk in a Gladiator clone, sign me up. 
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:28 am to Dr RC
if they reboot spidey yet again please have
Venom and Carnage as the villains. always the most fun.
but of course make venom the anti- hero and that way you spin him off. just make sure you cast a good venom ( Tom hardy comes to mind) not that puss cake from that seventies show.
what yall think
Venom and Carnage as the villains. always the most fun.
but of course make venom the anti- hero and that way you spin him off. just make sure you cast a good venom ( Tom hardy comes to mind) not that puss cake from that seventies show.
what yall think
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:29 am to Breesus
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Everyone saying the avengers don't need Spidey and Marvel doesn't need Spidey holding them back have lost their fricking minds.
There are insane people in this world that consider Spider-Man and Fantastic Four to be second-tier characters.
Crazy, I know.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:34 am to 68wDoc68w
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Venom and Carnage as the villains. always the most fun.
Venom and Carnage are generally considered, amongst comic nerds, two of the worst characters in the Marvel universe. They are generally despised by hardcore fans and loved by very casual fans.
Neither character is particularly interesting IMO, but I'm sure we will see them at some point.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:39 am to Breesus
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1. Everyone saying the avengers don't need Spidey and Marvel doesn't need Spidey holding them back have lost their fricking minds. A Spiderman movie done by Marvel would be awesome. And Spiderman in the avengers movies would be fantastic.
I agree Breesus. My post was to point out that Marvel has done a great job of setting up the franchise long term by introducing lesser known heroes into the mix so they can pass the torch. Bringing in Spidey will only help Phase III/IV of the MCU. And the way they've set it up still allows them to either bring back Evans/RDJ/Hemsworth for Avengers movies in the short term, or recast the roles in the future because you'll have an established roster of Avengers 2.0 at that point to bridge with.
Whereas Fox/X-Men have really painted themselves in a corner with Wolverine. They had an out with First Class and chose not to take it. Eventually Jackman is going to get too old/tired to keep bulking up to play Logan, and you can't kill off Wolverine from the X-Men. So you'll end up with recast out of need, and of your most important character.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
didn't realize the nerds didn't like venom or carnage. I remember reading the comics and enjoying the carnage and venom story lines. I even read the venom comics. but I really wasn't a hardcore comic nerd.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:46 am to elprez00
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you can't kill off Wolverine from the X-Men.
o'rly?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:47 am to elprez00
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They had an out with First Class and chose not to take it.
That really disappointed me. Fassbender was a phenomenal Magneto. I would've liked to see some fresh blood as Wolverine.
ETA:
Watching this scene on the big screen would be pretty awesome:
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:02 am to Dr RC
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o'rly
I was waiting for this. Wolverine has had a 40 year run in the comics. There are a ton of established other titles/characters in the comics.
Thats not the same case in the movies. Wolverine is the central character in the franchise, so much so that you even throw in a cameo of Jackman telling Charles and Eric to "GFY" in First Class.
You kill off Wolverine, you gonna pay money to go see a movie about Cyclops starring James Marsden? And then why do DOFP with the First Class cast and not recast Logan there so you can still have the character be a part of the story?
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:17 am to elprez00
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You kill off Wolverine, you gonna pay money to go see a movie about Cyclops starring James Marsden?
If they made one, sure. Cyclops has been woefully underused in the films. I;d say I want a Storm film but I'd prefer somebody other than Halle Berry since she is too damn lazy to play the role with the Kenyan accent.
While always very popular, Wolverine didn't completely dominate X-Men story lines until Fox started making movies.
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:28 am to Dr RC
Thats the point RC. Fox made Wolverine its central character. Do they want to keep making X-Men movies forever? Eventually they are going to have to figure out how to do that. Comic books really don't apply here.
Fox needs Wolverine a hell of a lot more than the MCU needs Spidey.
Fox needs Wolverine a hell of a lot more than the MCU needs Spidey.
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