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re: Marvel Secret Wars: Upcoming Changes, MCU and All That
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:33 am to Baloo
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:33 am to Baloo
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New Avengers: Hawkeye stuck with a bunch of goof characters? And an AIM tie-in? Sign me up!
Ultimates: Thrilled to see both Captain Marvels on the team, and they have hinted that somehow Galactus will be a regular. Yeah, I'm curious.
Captain Marvel: Pretty much my favorite characters in the main Marvel universe. New creative team, as DeConnick ran her course.
Captain America: Sam Wilson is awesome. I'm in.
Ms. Marvel: The best new character in a decade. Her book is so much fun and I'm not quitting it now.
Spider-Man: I'll follow Bendis. Morales is a neat inversion of the Spidey mythos, but really, I just like Bendis as a writer.
Guardians of the Galaxy: See above.
Spider-Woman: Man, talk about blowback for the sexy butt cover.
Daredevil: Oh, look. Murdock again has an amazing writer on his book.
Howard the Duck: frick, yes!
Uncanny Inhumans: I'll admit, I'm intrigued by Beast and Human Torch with the Inhumans.
Karnak: Warren f'n Ellis.
Squadron Supreme: OK, this is intriguing. SS is Mark Gruewald's greatest work, and it even predates Watchmen as a deconstruction of the comic genre. Gru died almost 25 years ago, and his creations have largely been untouchable. I'm very curious what they do with his alt reality heroes, and it better be a fitting legacy to Gru.
Star Brand: You've got to be kidding me. Jim Shooter's infamous New Universe is coming back? Are they bringing back the Pitt? Star Brand is one of the most underrated titles in Maevel history, and I'm psyched for this.
Squirrel Girl: Because I like hats.
Sam Wilson is awesome, but this to me, screams cheap trick. If Ike is as cheap as we are led to believe, raising Sam's profile and making a Captain America black means they don't have to produce more merch (Falcon merch) to raise the sales of Cap merch. Iron Man (who has his black guy) and Spider-Man (as does he) sells well(IN PART) because of the mask conceals color. Hulk is green, so color is irrelevant. Cap is white, Aryan race white(the play on the Super Soldier defeating the Red Skull) so race does play a factor with sales (although full disclosure, I saw a 3-5 year old black kid wearing a Captain America t-shirt the other day, naturally I was surprised)....I'd like Cap back on the board in his normal state, but the Marvel Universe kind of goes haywire when Cap is off the table. I also didn't buy that Sam was somehow an authority figure(to other Avengers like Hulk and Hawkeye) now that he changed clothes.
Guardians with Ben Grimm and no Star Lord is interesting.
Did you not like the Waid run on DD? I thought it was a breath of fresh air...
I'm a big fan of most Superman riffs Marvel does(Blue Marvel,Hyperion) so I'm excited for StarBrand as well.
Remember Hickman brought StarBrand back in his MARVEL NOW! Avenger run..
This post was edited on 9/2/15 at 11:35 am
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Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:58 am to Baloo
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New Avengers: Hawkeye stuck with a bunch of goof characters? And an AIM tie-in? Sign me up!
Ultimates: Thrilled to see both Captain Marvels on the team, and they have hinted that somehow Galactus will be a regular. Yeah, I'm curious.
Captain Marvel: Pretty much my favorite characters in the main Marvel universe. New creative team, as DeConnick ran her course.
Captain America: Sam Wilson is awesome. I'm in.
Ms. Marvel: The best new character in a decade. Her book is so much fun and I'm not quitting it now.
Spider-Man: I'll follow Bendis. Morales is a neat inversion of the Spidey mythos, but really, I just like Bendis as a writer.
Guardians of the Galaxy: See above.
Spider-Woman: Man, talk about blowback for the sexy butt cover.
Daredevil: Oh, look. Murdock again has an amazing writer on his book.
Howard the Duck: frick, yes!
Uncanny Inhumans: I'll admit, I'm intrigued by Beast and Human Torch with the Inhumans.
Karnak: Warren f'n Ellis.
Squadron Supreme: OK, this is intriguing. SS is Mark Gruewald's greatest work, and it even predates Watchmen as a deconstruction of the comic genre. Gru died almost 25 years ago, and his creations have largely been untouchable. I'm very curious what they do with his alt reality heroes, and it better be a fitting legacy to Gru.
Star Brand: You've got to be kidding me. Jim Shooter's infamous New Universe is coming back? Are they bringing back the Pitt? Star Brand is one of the most underrated titles in Maevel history, and I'm psyched for this.
Squirrel Girl: Because I like hats.
I'm intrigued by New Avengers, but I feel like this is one of the ones that won't work.
I like Sam too, and am hopeful the book is worthwhile. The big problem with the change is having someone as important as Steve in the role that Cap must take in the Marvel universe. I also liked Bucky as Cap, but it never worked for the Universe at large. I fear the same thing happening with Sam. Bucky lacked the gravitas that Steve brings, and I hope Sam can find it.
Just looking at this list, I do want a ton of these. Squadron Supreme and Ultimates Specifically.
And yeah, I forgot about Ellis on Karnak. That one is easily near the top for me. Great character, great writer, probably some unique arcs.
This post was edited on 9/2/15 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 9/2/15 at 12:50 pm to Freauxzen
I felt Bucky as Cap was more about Steve Rogers anyway. Rogers knew that was the thing Bucky needed, so he gave it to him, even from beyond the grave. Bucky being Cap was still a Steve Rogers story, if that makes sense.
Sam, OTOH, has been Cap's closest ally for the past 20-30 years. He's the one guy that Steve relies on, and he's the closest thing he has to a peer (Hawkeye is sort of the anti-Cap, so he might qualify as well, but for opposite reasons). Sam Wilson has enough history to take the mantle of Cap for the simple reason that he is the guy best qualified to hold the shield, if Steve is unable to do so. He doesn't need to acquire gravitas, he already has it. Sam is a modern Steve, and has been written that way for decades. I'd love to see him be Cap once Evans leaves the MCU as well.
And I won't lie, there is something powerful in the fact that a black man can be the literal walking symbol of America. But it wouldn't work if Sam was an unworthy character. He's not just worthy, he is the only one who is worthy (outside of Steve Rogers himself).
I loved Waid's run on DD. I was just saying that of course DD got another great writer. It's pretty much a comic writer's dream to write Daredevil. He's had an embarrassment of talent pen his book. I'd even rank Frank Miller's iconic run as only the 5th best on the book of all-time. And that's saying something.
Of course New Avengers will crash and burn. but what a beautiful explosion it will make. It has both Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel. There's no way to take this as anything but the C-team, and they will know it. And it will drive Hawkeye insane. I predict about ten issues, seven of which will be milk come out of your nose funny. If they aren't, they are doing it wrong.
Sam, OTOH, has been Cap's closest ally for the past 20-30 years. He's the one guy that Steve relies on, and he's the closest thing he has to a peer (Hawkeye is sort of the anti-Cap, so he might qualify as well, but for opposite reasons). Sam Wilson has enough history to take the mantle of Cap for the simple reason that he is the guy best qualified to hold the shield, if Steve is unable to do so. He doesn't need to acquire gravitas, he already has it. Sam is a modern Steve, and has been written that way for decades. I'd love to see him be Cap once Evans leaves the MCU as well.
And I won't lie, there is something powerful in the fact that a black man can be the literal walking symbol of America. But it wouldn't work if Sam was an unworthy character. He's not just worthy, he is the only one who is worthy (outside of Steve Rogers himself).
I loved Waid's run on DD. I was just saying that of course DD got another great writer. It's pretty much a comic writer's dream to write Daredevil. He's had an embarrassment of talent pen his book. I'd even rank Frank Miller's iconic run as only the 5th best on the book of all-time. And that's saying something.
Of course New Avengers will crash and burn. but what a beautiful explosion it will make. It has both Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel. There's no way to take this as anything but the C-team, and they will know it. And it will drive Hawkeye insane. I predict about ten issues, seven of which will be milk come out of your nose funny. If they aren't, they are doing it wrong.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:13 pm to Baloo
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I felt Bucky as Cap was more about Steve Rogers anyway. Rogers knew that was the thing Bucky needed, so he gave it to him, even from beyond the grave. Bucky being Cap was still a Steve Rogers story, if that makes sense.
Naa you're right on this. And maybe that's why the new cover is:
For Sam to be Cap, to be his own Cap, it has to be less of inheriting the mantle and more of "taking" it in a sense.
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Sam, OTOH, has been Cap's closest ally for the past 20-30 years. He's the one guy that Steve relies on, and he's the closest thing he has to a peer (Hawkeye is sort of the anti-Cap, so he might qualify as well, but for opposite reasons). Sam Wilson has enough history to take the mantle of Cap for the simple reason that he is the guy best qualified to hold the shield, if Steve is unable to do so. He doesn't need to acquire gravitas, he already has it. Sam is a modern Steve, and has been written that way for decades. I'd love to see him be Cap once Evans leaves the MCU as well.
And I won't lie, there is something powerful in the fact that a black man can be the literal walking symbol of America. But it wouldn't work if Sam was an unworthy character. He's not just worthy, he is the only one who is worthy (outside of Steve Rogers himself).
Good points.
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Of course New Avengers will crash and burn. but what a beautiful explosion it will make. It has both Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel. There's no way to take this as anything but the C-team, and they will know it. And it will drive Hawkeye insane. I predict about ten issues, seven of which will be milk come out of your nose funny. If they aren't, they are doing it wrong.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:31 pm to Freauxzen
honestly it ticks me off.
Particularly the whole Morales spider man thing. Peter Parker is Spiderman...they tried to kill him off with the whole Doc Ock disaster and when that didn't work had to bring him back. (Sure that was the plan all the time right?
)
This will be no different.
I'm also tired of every single time sales are down we have to re boot the comics...yet again. Here is a thought, let's get some original stories going. And instead of feminizing all the heros, let's give the girls their own damn heros.
Whatever. I stopped reading Marvel right after the "Doc Ock" bullshite...this won't bring me back.
Particularly the whole Morales spider man thing. Peter Parker is Spiderman...they tried to kill him off with the whole Doc Ock disaster and when that didn't work had to bring him back. (Sure that was the plan all the time right?
) This will be no different.
I'm also tired of every single time sales are down we have to re boot the comics...yet again. Here is a thought, let's get some original stories going. And instead of feminizing all the heros, let's give the girls their own damn heros.
Whatever. I stopped reading Marvel right after the "Doc Ock" bullshite...this won't bring me back.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:59 pm to Freauxzen
That Squadron Supreme cover is just such a contrast to the limited series. Seriously, if you have any interest in comics history and you've never read it, you absolutely need to read Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme. It really is a proto-Watchmen.
It's an interesting concept: heroes get tired of being reactive and instead proactively take over the governments of the world and work to eliminate war, poverty, hunger, and disease. It's a fascinating series. And by the end, the death toll is pretty damn high.
Everything is a reboot of a reboot at this point. I can't see how that would bother anyone. Superman meant something different to a 1930s audience than he does today, and everywhere in between. The publisher adjusts the characters for the era. Always has. A company wide reboot like this is particularly ambitious. DC has done it twice to my knowledge, with varying degrees of success. I'm glad Marvel is being quite ambitious with its all-new universe. Let's see if its just a stalling tactic before getting to the same old, same old.
It's an interesting concept: heroes get tired of being reactive and instead proactively take over the governments of the world and work to eliminate war, poverty, hunger, and disease. It's a fascinating series. And by the end, the death toll is pretty damn high.
Everything is a reboot of a reboot at this point. I can't see how that would bother anyone. Superman meant something different to a 1930s audience than he does today, and everywhere in between. The publisher adjusts the characters for the era. Always has. A company wide reboot like this is particularly ambitious. DC has done it twice to my knowledge, with varying degrees of success. I'm glad Marvel is being quite ambitious with its all-new universe. Let's see if its just a stalling tactic before getting to the same old, same old.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:21 pm to Baloo
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That Squadron Supreme cover is just such a contrast to the limited series. Seriously, if you have any interest in comics history and you've never read it, you absolutely need to read Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme. It really is a proto-Watchmen.
It's an interesting concept: heroes get tired of being reactive and instead proactively take over the governments of the world and work to eliminate war, poverty, hunger, and disease. It's a fascinating series. And by the end, the death toll is pretty damn high.
I'm familiar with it, but never sat down to read it in full. It's on my TPB list. Probably get that and IG next.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:24 pm to Baloo
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Everything is a reboot of a reboot at this point. I can't see how that would bother anyone. Superman meant something different to a 1930s audience than he does today, and everywhere in between. The publisher adjusts the characters for the era. Always has. A company wide reboot like this is particularly ambitious. DC has done it twice to my knowledge, with varying degrees of success. I'm glad Marvel is being quite ambitious with its all-new universe.
Agree.
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Let's see if its just a stalling tactic before getting to the same old, same old.
I think this speaks to the investment question right. I'm mean getting drawn into a character or title is awesome....until it ends. That, at least for me, has always been the difficult part of comics. I'm willing to jump back into Marvel at this point, other than casually reading over the last few years, I've mostly been going back to old stuff - Korvac, IG, just finished Civil War for a second time - (haha Civil isn't old, ok yeah it is) - but I've only casually browsed new titles, picked up digital issues here or there and kept up to date at best.
I want to go all in, so I kind of hope it sticks. Plus, I think grizzled Steve and Logan will be a ton of fun to move stories forward.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 3:43 pm to Freauxzen
I think well-defined "seasons" have helped smaller characters even if they only get a short run. I keep going back to Warren Ellis on Moon Knight but... Jesus. It was awesome. It also is contained in 2 trade paperbacks and requires literally zero knowledge of the rest of the Marvel Universe. It's perfect for the casual fan.
Hawkeye went 24 issues and She-Hulk only went 12, but they were both brilliant arcs with an easy-to-trace story. And once the story was over, the book ended. There was no need to keep trying to pump out issues to keep the title going. The willingness to end books has really helped attract great writers, who will only commit to a shorter run under corporate's rules.
Hawkeye went 24 issues and She-Hulk only went 12, but they were both brilliant arcs with an easy-to-trace story. And once the story was over, the book ended. There was no need to keep trying to pump out issues to keep the title going. The willingness to end books has really helped attract great writers, who will only commit to a shorter run under corporate's rules.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 4:11 pm to BlacknGold
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his last arcs on ultimate spider-man were pretty bad.
To be fair, he'd been on the title for quite awhile.
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same with all new x-men.
It did get pretty rough at the end. I did enjoy the young Cyclops spinoff series.
His Uncanny X-men run was beyond excellent and my rage at this "reboot" is pretty much solely due to that story not getting to properly run its course. There was so much more to be done with the direction they were heading.
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im betting half these books will feel like retreads but with new characters. thats what happened with DCs relaunch with maybe 3 exceptions (like snyder's batman).
I'd give Marvel a little more credit than that. They've made some pretty big status quo changes to many characters since 2000 and they stuck with it for way longer than I ever expected.
That's actually why I'm more disappointed in Marvel with this reboot as they've done a very good job with staying in continuity and keeping things fresh.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 4:17 pm to Baloo
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I think well-defined "seasons" have helped smaller characters even if they only get a short run. I keep going back to Warren Ellis on Moon Knight but... Jesus. It was awesome. It also is contained in 2 trade paperbacks and requires literally zero knowledge of the rest of the Marvel Universe. It's perfect for the casual fan.
Hawkeye went 24 issues and She-Hulk only went 12, but they were both brilliant arcs with an easy-to-trace story. And once the story was over, the book ended. There was no need to keep trying to pump out issues to keep the title going. The willingness to end books has really helped attract great writers, who will only commit to a shorter run under corporate's rules.
I think it's a great play for B and lower characters, but I always felt like there was more to do with Villain Cyclops for instance. Just not enough time to explore it.
But Moon Knight, Immortal Iron Fist, Hawkeye, all awesome arcs that ended just in time.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 5:38 pm to Freauxzen
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I think it's a great play for B and lower characters, but I always felt like there was more to do with Villain Cyclops for instance
Not to get off point here, but Marvel NOW! Cyclops was no villain...I thought what Marvel did with Scott and the X-Men in the last 10 years is better than anything preceding it.
Anyway, Yes the smaller characters have been getting the best runs because they have so much more room to play with.
As for Sam, can't be a pillar for America without Steve's underwear? Hell The Falcon is now a BIG TIME character. Let him lead The Avengers, let him hold the shield, but don't call him Captain America. There is only one.
Like his pal Batman over in DC, Marvel keeps replacing Cap for the sake of doing it.
What they should be doing instead, is rounding Cap out to something more. Hell, his run as S.H.I.E.L.D director was too short.
This globe trotting Spider-Man is kind of interesting only because it sets Peter Parker up as an equal (out of costume) to Norman Osborn and Kingpin.
I'm also excited to see Crystal leading an All-New Inhumans book as I suspect she will be the POV character for the Inhumans film.
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