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re: Marvel announces Ant-Man sequel
Posted on 10/9/15 at 4:32 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 10/9/15 at 4:32 pm to Dr RC
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Also, Lex Luthor was essentially a copy of Dr Sivana (going by DC's standard) and Superboy was created b/c Captain Marvel Jr (who Elvis based his outfits off of) was so popular.
When Luthor was introduced he was your basic movie serial villain (and had a full head of hair). Not sure how anything resembles Sivana other than the later bald head.
Superboy was pitched to DC by one of the creators of Superman and turned down. It wasn't until Robin proved to be successful and other sidekicks became popular that DC took Siegel up on his offer and gave Superboy a place in More Fun Comics. It wasn't a case of DC giving someone the task of copying Fawcett.
The main way that DC "copied" Fawcett was to hire their writers and artists after Fawcett got out of the comics business. Otto Binder had created Mary Marvel and moved to DC where he created Supergirl. He's one of the main reasons that the Superman family began to build in the 50's. DC also hired Kurt Schaffenberger, who became Lois Lane's signature artist and worked on the Superman family of books through the 80's. It isn't until the late 50's that DC began to resemble Fawcett.
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 4:42 pm to Freauxzen
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Court Decision was 1953...Marvel "scurries" over 14 years to hurry up and grab the name? And then it takes another 5 for DC to decide? I'm not sure that's scurrying in either case. If Marvel came out with Captain Marvel in 1954, yeah that's scurrying.
It wasn't common knowledge that the name was available. When MF Enterprises put out their own Captain Marvel (along with other rip-off characters that they were Cease and Desisted out of running) in 1966, Marvel realized that the name was up for grabs and they registered it.
Management didn't communicate the ownership of characters to their creators very well in those days. The only reason that we have an Elongated Man is because Julius Schwartz didn't know that DC had already bought the character of Plastic Man.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 4:58 pm to Dr RC
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It's not like Superman was a completely original idea anyway. His early incarnation is basically Hercules in a carnival strongman outfit.
Agreed. That was a time of heavy imitation. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's how great ideas get started much of the time.
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DC was just mega butthurt that the Big Red Cheese was more popular at the time. The only reason they "won" in the end was b/c declining industry wide comic sales convinced Fawcett that comics were a dead fad and it wasn't worth fighting anymore so they settled out of court.
Yup. Captain Marvel was a huge hit, and honestly, a more interesting character than Superman (at the time).
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:30 pm to Freauxzen
No Superman, no superhero comics. It's as simple as that.
You can point to the Phantom or the Scarlett Pimpernel, but Superman was the perfect idea that launched an industry.
You can point to the Phantom or the Scarlett Pimpernel, but Superman was the perfect idea that launched an industry.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:41 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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No Superman, no superhero comics. It's as simple as that.
You can point to the Phantom or the Scarlett Pimpernel, but Superman was the perfect idea that launched an industry.
Oh of course. I wasn't motioning to something different. Superman is the funnel for the entire superhero mythos.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 6:11 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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When Luthor was introduced he was your basic movie serial villain (and had a full head of hair). Not sure how anything resembles Sivana other than the later bald head.
Both were evil scientists who used incredible inventions to battle super powered individuals. Its very loose sure but so was DC's claim.
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Superboy was pitched to DC by one of the creators of Superman and turned down. It wasn't until Robin proved to be successful and other sidekicks became popular that DC took Siegel up on his offer and gave Superboy a place in More Fun Comics. It wasn't a case of DC giving someone the task of copying Fawcett.
and yet he wasn't published until after Captain Marvel Jr became a huge hit. Same goes for Robin actually. They didn't initially think a younger hero would work until somebody else did it.
I don't think they are literally copies. I just think DC had very little to stand on in their lawsuit when they were pumping out characters that were just as "similar" Cap was to Supes. (ie kinda sorta but not really) Again, the only reason they "won" in the end was b/c Fawcett had incorrectly determined that comics were a fad that had passed and decided to hang it up rather than wage a costly court battle.
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 10/9/15 at 7:39 pm to Dr RC
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and yet he wasn't published until after Captain Marvel Jr became a huge hit. Same goes for Robin actually. They didn't initially think a younger hero would work until somebody else did it.
Where are you getting this? Robin appeared over a year and a half before Capt. Marvel Jr. Siegel's Star Spangled Kid predated Cap Jr.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 8:17 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I loaned my copy of Marvel Now to a friend so I can't look it up but I remember the Fantastic Four was only created to copy what DC was doing at the time (I don't remember if it was JLA or JSA). So each comic publisher was aware of what the other was doing and willing to copy it. They also discussed the Captain Marvel (including his death and the new Ms Marvel) but I can't recall that part off the top of my head. Maybe someone else here has a copy of the book and can paraphase that part.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:51 pm to ThoseGuys
The legend is that the publishers of DC and Marvel were playing golf and the topic of Justice League doing really well came up. The Marvel publisher told Stan to come up with a superhero team comic and Stan and Jack came up with the Fantastic Four.
Might be true, some think that Stan might have created it as a colorful story.
Might be true, some think that Stan might have created it as a colorful story.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 10:01 pm to Fewer Kilometers
ahh well frick me I read a bunch of dates wrong
I surrender
I surrender
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:15 am to RLDSC FAN
Any guesses on the villain? I'll throw Crossfire out there. Ties to SHIELD and the registration act, plus a chance for Hawkeye to get in another movie.
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:21 am to stuckintexas
Black Ant.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:38 am to stuckintexas
I'm assuming they are going to go to Quantum Realm to save Janet
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:52 am to Dr RC
You sure that's not Galactus from FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:58 am to Socrates Johnson
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I wonder if Michael Douglas will be back? I'm interested in the original Wasp storyline as well.
He wants to come back and have his wife play his wife:
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Michael Douglas, who stars as Hank Pym in Ant-Man, was asked by MTV who he would cast as Hank's wife and original Wasp Janet van Dyne in a potential future installment. It didn't take him long to think of his 45-year-old wife.
"Catherine Zeta-Jones," Douglas immediately replied. "Wouldn't be a bad idea. Remember her in Entrapment? You know, she's pretty good at all that stuff. Then it would call for me to put on all that CGI, where I get twenty-five years younger. So I can go back and put on the Ant-Man suit. I'd be happy at this point to be in another Ant-Man. Or even if Hope goes to be The Wasp, my kid, or Catherine, who knows."
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For the record, I could fully support Catherine Zeta Jones playing Janet Van Dyne.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:15 am to Fewer Kilometers
or maybe its Parallax from the Green Lantern movie
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:17 am to Dr RC
Quantum Realm seems more likely than Black Ant. It would also be set up by Dr Strange beyond what we saw Ant-Man dive into briefly.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:24 am to stuckintexas
Yeah, but Quantum Realm is a place. You'd have to have some sort of villain. I doubt they'd have Ant-Man vs Nature as a plot.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:24 am to Fewer Kilometers
maybe being in the QZ for so long makes Janet insane?
also, didnt that govt stooge run off w/the Cross particles at the end of the flick?
also, didnt that govt stooge run off w/the Cross particles at the end of the flick?
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:26 am to Dr RC
Ant-Man II and Wasp II vs Ant-Man I and Wasp I?
(Hank can't accept Janet's insanity and joins her in battle.)
(Hank can't accept Janet's insanity and joins her in battle.)
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