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re: Mad Men Series Finale - "Person to Person"
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:03 pm to Crow Pie
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:03 pm to Crow Pie
quote:I took it as Don finally realizing that everything he felt was not something singular to him. I think he was relieved at that point. The guy was talking about how nobody really noticed him and that's exactly how Don was beginning to feel in this season. Sally was gone and didn't need him anymore, neither of his ex's gave a shite about him, he never really had any good friends, and so on. He didn't even feel like the big shot at work anymore...just look at how he was in that final meeting at ME when he walked out. He wasn't needed by anyone anymore. Not even the lowly waitress.
Nobody wanted one of their last images of Don to be him crying away in a chair. I am ok with the surrogate.
yes.... Leonard's story/ confession was Don saying who he was without him saying it himself.
I think that he finally realized who/what he was and he was at peace with it. He was no longer looking over his shoulder at the ghost of Dick Whitman or worrying about living up to the Don Draper name.
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:08 pm to LSU 318 LSU
quote:Better Call Sally?
Any chance there is a sequel starring Sally Draper?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:16 pm to htownjeep
quote:
Better Call Sally?
Mad Women.
How Sally, Joan, and Peggy revolutionize the world for women's rights.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:17 pm to StringedInstruments
quote:
Joan
quote:Does not compute!
revolutionize the world for women's rights
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:24 pm to FairhopeTider
I keep thinking about why was this Coca-Cola ad so great, to be so historic--why is this the commercial that makes Draper go down as the advertising GOAT? It all boils down to the commercial's connection to the 60's idealisms that were fading in the early 70's.
The Hilltop commercial was created in 1971, the same year Fear and Loathing was released in Rolling Stone by Hunter S. Thompson. As Thompson writes in this portion of the monologue:
"Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of...
And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back." (Full Monologue Here)
By this point, the American culture that fought so hard to create their own path, own ideals during the 60's movements were looking for something to cling on to--a token to remind them that their progress had not soured. The Hilltop ad released at a time that the American culture needed it most.
Que the greatest advertisement of them all, Hilltop. And who's standing at the top of that hill?--Don MF Draper
The Hilltop commercial was created in 1971, the same year Fear and Loathing was released in Rolling Stone by Hunter S. Thompson. As Thompson writes in this portion of the monologue:
"Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of...
And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back." (Full Monologue Here)
By this point, the American culture that fought so hard to create their own path, own ideals during the 60's movements were looking for something to cling on to--a token to remind them that their progress had not soured. The Hilltop ad released at a time that the American culture needed it most.
Que the greatest advertisement of them all, Hilltop. And who's standing at the top of that hill?--Don MF Draper
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:56 pm to davesdawgs
quote:
I would definitely like to think that this is how it ended and after seeing the slight smile on Don's face as it cut to the Coke commercial, I agree that this is a logical conclusion. Peggy will eventually get her Creative Director position but as Pete pointed out, it will probably happen closer to 1980, not 1971 when the Coke commercial was produced.
Jon Hamm said in an interview that I read this morning not to overthink it because he and Weiner didn't really consider it all that ambiguous. He said Weiner had planned it for as long as he can remember and intentionally went about foreshadowing it at several points this season--Hobart offering him Coke and Don acting like it wa the Holy grail (in the meeting where Jim has him say "Don Draper of McCann for the first/only time). Then him having to deal with the Coke Machine at the Inn in the last episode. The smile was Don realizing after his great search for self and meaning in his life, he was, in fact, just an ad man preying on the needs of others to fill their lives with stuff that he tells them they need for just that purpose. The smile was him being ok with that. It was flawless to me.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 4:38 pm to htownjeep
quote:
I took it as Don finally realizing that everything he felt was not something singular to him. I think he was relieved at that point. The guy was talking about how nobody really noticed him and that's exactly how Don was beginning to feel in this season. Sally was gone and didn't need him anymore, neither of his ex's gave a shite about him, he never really had any good friends, and so on. He didn't even feel like the big shot at work anymore...just look at how he was in that final meeting at ME when he walked out. He wasn't needed by anyone anymore. Not even the lowly waitress. I think that he finally realized who/what he was and he was at peace with it. He was no longer looking over his shoulder at the ghost of Dick Whitman or worrying about living up to the Don Draper name.
I had an epiphany that was on the tip of my tongue when I wrote my last post, but yours really clarified it. Leonard showing Don that he wasn't alone in feeling unwanted, unneeded, unloved, etc. was what Don needed to get to the place he described in the very first major pitch of the series (maybe the first pitch period)--the "toasted" presentation to Lucky Strike and how that pitch ends up. He essentially says that the fundamental human need is for people feel like they're "okay". Not exceptional. Not the best. But at the very least, okay. He felt that then. During the final scene when he and the rest of the hippies are meditating, it dawned on him that everybody up there was up there because they, like he, Leonard, and Stephanie felt like they were missing something or out of step--and therefore not okay. That center sold them meditation and idealism as a way to reach back to some nostalgic feelings of the peace and free love movements--something they felt.
He knew that the same feeling of okay they travelled all the way to California to get could be bottled and sold using those same themes.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 4:58 pm to LSUSPARKY621
quote:
I keep thinking about why was this Coca-Cola ad so great, to be so historic--why is this the commercial that makes Draper go down as the advertising GOAT? It all boils down to the commercial's connection to the 60's idealisms that were fading in the early 70's...
Also helped that it was a very catchy song that became a hit single (sans product references).
Posted on 5/19/15 at 5:19 pm to SUB
quote:
The bell and the smile at the end are a clear segue-way into the coke commercial, because that was the point that he thought of the idea.
Could not disagree more.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:48 pm to DallasTiger11
quote:What do you think it was?
Could not disagree more.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:05 pm to JBeam
I've explained my thoughts a number of times in this thread already but I'll say it again.
If you believe that he is smiling because of an advertisement at the end, that really cheapens the character of Don and his entire journey in the series, in this season, and in the finale and basically believe that his moment with Leonard meant nothing.
I like to believe he was smiling because he finally found peace, not because he thought of an advertisement. The ad view is much more cynical, and I don't think that's what Weiner was going for.
ETA: If you are thinking about a commercial during meditation you are doing it totally wrong. Of course he used the retreat as inspiration for the ad, but I believe it came later.
If you believe that he is smiling because of an advertisement at the end, that really cheapens the character of Don and his entire journey in the series, in this season, and in the finale and basically believe that his moment with Leonard meant nothing.
I like to believe he was smiling because he finally found peace, not because he thought of an advertisement. The ad view is much more cynical, and I don't think that's what Weiner was going for.
ETA: If you are thinking about a commercial during meditation you are doing it totally wrong. Of course he used the retreat as inspiration for the ad, but I believe it came later.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:07 pm to JBeam
Any idea when/if the finale is replaying? I had to record it because I had work and the entire fricking episode was jacked up... AMC has been shite'n on me lately with bad connection or something.
The first 20 mins of the show were alright with little glitches and then it went to shite for the rest of the episode! Helped needed...
The first 20 mins of the show were alright with little glitches and then it went to shite for the rest of the episode! Helped needed...
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:08 pm to ATH216
You can watch it on AMC.tv with your cable login.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:33 pm to DallasTiger11
I don't think what you said is mutually exclusive.
IOW, he found inner peace and he thought of the ad later.
My point is that the viewers knew that Don came up w/ the ad.
Thus, he returned to work and became "well".
I may not be explaining it well....
IOW, he found inner peace and he thought of the ad later.
My point is that the viewers knew that Don came up w/ the ad.
Thus, he returned to work and became "well".
I may not be explaining it well....
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:28 pm to DallasTiger11
quote:
The bell and the smile at the end are a clear segue-way into the coke commercial, because that was the point that he thought of the idea.
Could not disagree more.
I don't think its that far of a stretch. He'd already found peace with Leonard and looking over the ocean. His mind is on the moment and his mind drifted to the thought of how great of an ad it would all make. Having a sudden muse doesn't make him less of a person or discount his journey. His mind had been trained for years to find new ideas so it was probably tough to just turn it off. Also note the zen bells and smirk (it wasn't a smile) can lead any reasonable person to draw the conclusion that is when the idea popped in his head.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:49 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
Jon Hamm said in an interview that I read this morning not to overthink it because he and Weiner didn't really consider it all that ambiguous.
It seems pretty clear. Check out the retreat "hostess" that Don interacted with in the finale. Same braids as the girl in the ad: 
Posted on 5/20/15 at 1:12 am to Godfather1
quote:
If you'll recall, in I believe the first season, Hobart went so far as to cast Betty in a commercial in an attempt to lure Don away from Sterling Cooper.
Yep.
And what was that commercial advertising?
COCA frickING COLA
Posted on 5/20/15 at 2:36 pm to BamaChick
In totally random fashion, I just saw Stan and Ted Shaw starring as hospital doctors in an 2003 episode of Judging Amy (Ruminspringa).
This post was edited on 5/20/15 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/20/15 at 2:39 pm to DallasTiger11
quote:
Could not disagree more.
The guru guy is literally saying "you will have your best idea ever" during that moment haha.
Posted on 5/20/15 at 2:48 pm to Hester Carries
Well it's open to interpretation. I choose the less cynical one.
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