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re: Justice League News
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:05 am to BilJ
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:05 am to BilJ
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I'd say 90+% of the movie going audience could give a rat's arse about loyalty to DC or Marvel, its just about putting out entertaining movies. Suicide Squad and BvS were shite movies, the little butt hurt rolltide can do all the mental gymnastics he wants to argue they're good but they sucked.
completely agree. I don't know anyone that wants to not like a batman/superman movie. They are what they are.
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:09 am to Darkknight
Can we talk Falcon for a minute? So they steal the wings, he flies around wrecking shite, & the government/military does nothing? I know he said they used them on rescue mission in ME, but sounded like a prototype also. If they were that effective, why not outfit more soldiers w/them? Just bugged me
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:12 am to Darkknight
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You mention several things I hadn't thought about. Completely agree with your assessment of Crossbones and Falcon. Appreciate it!
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:16 am to Freauxzen
Ok Freau, let's hear your take on my post regarding Falcon. Please & thank you
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
Right. Despite all of the warning signs I was excited about BvS, it's Batman and Superman, they can't possibly frick this up...wrong.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:23 am to banone74
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So they steal the wings, he flies around wrecking shite, & the government/military does nothing?
Black Widow is one of the greatest covert agents in the Marvel Universe. Let's just assume she stole it and got out leaving nothing behind. Remember, she pings Cap easily earlier in the film, she's completely hidden from Tony in IM2, etc.
The core action in TWS happens in less than 48 hours, not really enough time to get an investigation moving, even with Falcon flying above DC a couple of times.
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I know he said they used them on rescue mission in ME, but sounded like a prototype also. If they were that effective, why not outfit more soldiers w/them?
Because they are probably expensive,
And there was at least 2, mentioned in TWS, and one of them died in combat, so maybe they weren't THAT effective, outside of Sam?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:25 am to BilJ
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Right. Despite all of the warning signs I was excited about BvS, it's Batman and Superman, they can't possibly frick this up...wrong.
I mean they cast Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Surely you knew something was up then.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:27 am to Scoob
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I came away with "God, it must suck to be Superman or Batman, these guys are just fricking miserable".
This is why I like BvS, outside of Eisenberg. After awhile, it really would suck to be them.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:31 am to RedPants
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This is why I like BvS, outside of Eisenberg. After awhile, it really would suck to be them.
Superman shouldn't be a miserable character though, so the movie is basically fricked from the start.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:35 am to RedPants
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After awhile, it really would suck to be them.
True, but Snyder doesn't understand why, so this story wasn't compelling. Motivations, arcs, development, all just terrible in BvS.
Plus, as OML says, Supes is not the character you evaluate this with. Batman? Sure. John Stewart, maybe. Barry? Maybe.
Not Superman. And that's actually the core idea of the character: Despite of the potential of it sucking and the weight of the world on his shoulders, Superman is still a positive, steady force for good. Snyder doesn't understand that.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:39 am to RedPants
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After awhile, it really would suck to be them.
In what possible way would it suck to be Superman?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:40 am to Freauxzen
I get ya, but as more Superheroes show up in more movies, you'd think the military would fast track few more sets of wings. It wasn't Stark tech was it?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:45 am to banone74
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I get ya, but as more Superheroes show up in more movies, you'd think the military would fast track few more sets of wings.
Hence Civil War, becoming an official part of the Government/Military was exactly what was happening for the Avenger Initiative. And remember, Tony doesn't want the government involved until Civil War.
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It wasn't Stark tech was it?
Unclear, although Falcon got upgrades for both Ant-Man and Civil War that were Stark tech.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 10:46 am to Breesus
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In what possible way would it suck to be Superman?
The overwhelming feeling of responsibility to save everyone, everywhere, at all times, even though it's impossible. The constant judgment from the public when you can't do what they expect you to do. I thought they did a good job of conveying that message in the movie.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:16 am to RedPants
Damn, this thread got crazy Has there ever been any other film that gets as much discussion as BvS does on this board?
Has there ever been any other film that gets as much discussion as BvS does on this board?Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:47 am to RedPants
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The overwhelming feeling of responsibility to save everyone, everywhere, at all times, even though it's impossible.
You thought they conveyed that?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:49 am to RedPants
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The overwhelming feeling of responsibility to save everyone, everywhere, at all times, even though it's impossible. The constant judgment from the public when you can't do what they expect you to do.
Also, as far as he knows, he's the last of his race. The only living organism from his home planet, which doesn't even exist anymore. I'd think that would be a bummer.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:56 am to RedPants
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The overwhelming feeling of responsibility to save everyone, everywhere, at all times, even though it's impossible.
According to Zack Snyder, he was raised by a man the told him to never save anyone.
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Jonathan Kent: You have to keep this side of yourself a secret.
Clark Kent: What was I supposed to do? Let them die?
Jonathan Kent: Maybe...
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/26/17 at 12:12 pm to Darkknight
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Also, as far as he knows, he's the last of his race.
He just met and killed 3
Posted on 7/26/17 at 12:19 pm to Green Chili Tiger
him not saving Jon Kent was even dumber. Yeah sorry dad but your reasoning sucks so I'll go ahead and not let you die....
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