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re: Into the Wild
Posted on 5/24/10 at 4:55 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 5/24/10 at 4:55 pm to TheCaterpillar
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He could've at least sent his family a letter saying he was OK. Also he was a moron to be that unprepared in the wilderness. Other than that I like the idea of living off of the land and off the grid.
I agree. I also believe that what he did was basically suicide. I have a hard time believing he truly thought he could live the way he did. He was too smart of a person for that.
eta: I only watched the movie
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 4:56 pm
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 6:56 pm to ashy larry
really good movie. his interaction with the old dude near the end was sad. 
Posted on 5/25/10 at 10:55 pm to Enrique
its on mtv2 right now. damn i forgot how good this movie is. one of my favorite soundtracks. in fact, i doubt the soundtrack could have been any better.
eta: and the supporting actors are money. vaughn, galifianakis, etc.
eta: and the supporting actors are money. vaughn, galifianakis, etc.
This post was edited on 5/25/10 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:10 pm to LSUlunatic
The movie was okay for entertainment. I lived in AK when that I occurred. There wasn't much sympathy for someone being so stupid (whether purposefully or not). Kinda like the guy who "lived with bears" that got eaten up. Find yourself and get off the grid if that's whatcha want or need but do it right.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 9:50 am to Salmon
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He was a selfish, idealistic, emo rich kid.
I mostly disagree.
I read this book after having it highly suggested to me by a few of my outdoor survival classmates on a trip into the canyons of southern Utah in 2004.
I thought it was a great story. He was not selfish AT ALL. He was independent. The problem that most have when viewing him is that they assume that he is not the owner of his own life and that he owes something to others. He chose a path in life that is unconventional, sure, but that doesn't make him selfish. Why is someone pursuing their own happiness deemed selfish? Sure, he may have been idealistic, but most of us at that age are. I don't even know where you get the emo idea from. And as far as rich goes....he was far from it. He gave his money away. He lived simply. He worked for what he needed. He did not expect any handouts.
As a person with an interest in outdoor survival, I can admit that he made some stupid choices in regards to the Alaska trip. But why does that bother you so much? It's his life and his choice. And he chose to do what so many of us have dreamed of doing (I guarantee it's a very common fantasy). Most just fantasize....he had the balls to do it.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:46 am to WikiTiger
It could have sent his sister a letter. No matter what assholes his parents were, unless the sexual or physicaly abused him, no one deserves to go thru that.
I don't remeber the hippie chick in the book, was she in it?
I don't remeber the hippie chick in the book, was she in it?
Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:48 am to TheCaterpillar
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Oh and aren't the reasons behind his death not truly represented in the movie?
from what i've read on the internet, yes
penn supposedly wanted a dramatic death that would make people go "aw"
but i think he just starved, plain and simple. he wasn't too weak from the berries, he just fricked up
Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:51 am to WikiTiger
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Why is someone pursuing their own happiness deemed selfish?
well in his case he was only allowed to make this choice after his parents supported him for years and year. i mean they prolly dropped $100k on his college alone
i seriously doubt he would have been the person who decided to make the jump into america without these advantages
and i'm not even getting into the worry he has to know he's putting them through. he purposefully chose a path that would leave to horrible thoughts and worry of the people who actually loved him. that's selfish no matter how you slice it
it wouldn't have been burdensome...a letter here or there is all it would take
he owes them something
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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he owes them something
Then I guess my question to you would be: At what point does a person own his own life and not owe anyone else anything?
I don't like the idea of a person being indebted to their parents because they didn't ask to be born. Parents choose to have a child and raise it. It is a choice that they made and the child owes nothing to the parents for being raised. Now, you bring up the college issue, which adds a wrinkle to this, but can we say for certain that there wasn't an expectation that he go to college coming from his parents? I know that is often the case, especially in wealthy families. So, if that was that case, can he really be blamed for the 100k in college expenses if it was an expectation placed on him from birth? (I know I'm speculating, but run with it.) And even if there was no expectation, it was still their choice to send their child to college.
I think the issue at play here is the issue of who owns ones life and whether or not they owe anything to others. Fiercely independent people like me will probably always be in the minority but it doesn't change the way I feel.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:10 am to WikiTiger
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At what point does a person own his own life and not owe anyone else anything?
you're talking ownership. i'm talking respect
i'm not criticizing him for choosing a path of certain deaeth. that's on him
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I don't like the idea of a person being indebted to their parents because they didn't ask to be born.
he certainly didn't get out of going to emory, which is where this whole idea was sparked
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Now, you bring up the college issue, which adds a wrinkle to this, but can we say for certain that there wasn't an expectation that he go to college coming from his parents? I know that is often the case, especially in wealthy families. So, if that was that case, can he really be blamed for the 100k in college expenses if it was an expectation placed on him from birth?
i'm sure there were plenty of other expectations placed on him post-graduation, and he said "frick it" then
why wait until after graduation?
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And even if there was no expectation, it was still their choice to send their child to college.
he was 18 years old and had 4 years to decide to be his own person
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I think the issue at play here is the issue of who owns ones life and whether or not they owe anything to others.
it's just about respect for others, which is an important thread of society
not everyone should be respected, and nobody should automatically receive respect, but if people are generous and respect you, you should return it. otherwise we lose a lot of what makes society great
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:34 am to WikiTiger
Terrible movie. Typical Hollywood garbage. I could not stand this nonsense.
The parents spent a fortune sending him to Emory and then he responds by completely abandoning his family.
He completely wasted his education. He should have just gone camping in the woods for the summer.
The parents spent a fortune sending him to Emory and then he responds by completely abandoning his family.
He completely wasted his education. He should have just gone camping in the woods for the summer.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:37 am to Dr Rosenrosen
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Typical Hollywood garbage.
It was based on a true story...
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:40 am to Salmon
A true story that Hollywood glorified.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:44 am to Dr Rosenrosen
yeah him burning all of his id and money, as well as the ending (poisoning) were likely bullshite and hollywood/penn contriving to make a story that would affect more people
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:45 am to Dr Rosenrosen
I think majority of the people who are hating on this movie either didn't watch the movie or read the book, because there are many off-base assumptions being made about this kid.
1. He came from a very wealthy, semi-abusive (at least verbally) family who did not have a very free parenting style. This was NOT a democratic family. He was told he was going to Emory because it was their alma mater, period. He had little choice in the matter, but he rebelled in taking classes his parents deemed unnecessary. However, rather than pull him from the expensive school, they just bitched at him and kept making him return year after year.
2. His parents were extremely materialistic and did not agree with his lifestyle choices (i.e. his insistance in driving a dependable used vehicle rather than getting some expensive brand new car because his parents would like the way the neighbors would look at them).
3. He didn't tell his sister where he was for fear his parents would find out and bring him home. He was in a sense on the run from his former life.
4. His lifestyle choices were about as UNselfish as you get. Had he been selfish, he would have taken his life savings with him and lived comfortably rather than donating it all to CHARITY to feed hungry children and he wouldn't have been essentially homeless for the next few years.
5. Lastly, he survived the best way he knew how in Alaska. He lasted a lot longer than a lot of people probably could because he was resourceful. His mistake was choosing the wrong season to go, and not saving some of that money he burned for rations. But, in the end, I don't think his goal was to live there for a long time then come back home. He lived every day in the moment, so I think to him, he died in the best way he possibly could.
1. He came from a very wealthy, semi-abusive (at least verbally) family who did not have a very free parenting style. This was NOT a democratic family. He was told he was going to Emory because it was their alma mater, period. He had little choice in the matter, but he rebelled in taking classes his parents deemed unnecessary. However, rather than pull him from the expensive school, they just bitched at him and kept making him return year after year.
2. His parents were extremely materialistic and did not agree with his lifestyle choices (i.e. his insistance in driving a dependable used vehicle rather than getting some expensive brand new car because his parents would like the way the neighbors would look at them).
3. He didn't tell his sister where he was for fear his parents would find out and bring him home. He was in a sense on the run from his former life.
4. His lifestyle choices were about as UNselfish as you get. Had he been selfish, he would have taken his life savings with him and lived comfortably rather than donating it all to CHARITY to feed hungry children and he wouldn't have been essentially homeless for the next few years.
5. Lastly, he survived the best way he knew how in Alaska. He lasted a lot longer than a lot of people probably could because he was resourceful. His mistake was choosing the wrong season to go, and not saving some of that money he burned for rations. But, in the end, I don't think his goal was to live there for a long time then come back home. He lived every day in the moment, so I think to him, he died in the best way he possibly could.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:48 am to Woff Mom
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He had little choice in the matter
he was 18. he could do whatever the frick he wanted to
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semi-abusive (at least verbally)
really? REALLY?
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He didn't tell his sister where he was for fear his parents would find out and bring him home.
is his dad jack bauer?
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:50 am to Baloo
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He was a selfish, idealistic, emo rich kid.
Scratch idelistic from that list and I would agree.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
He wasn't 18-he had just graduated from College, and if your parents are cool with you making your own decisions I guess you can do whatever, but when you grow up in a home where your decisions are not your own I guess he didn't have a lot of freedom to make those choices
according to the book, his father abused his family (his mother he hit on a few occasions, the kids he was extremely verbally abusive)
according to the book, his father abused his family (his mother he hit on a few occasions, the kids he was extremely verbally abusive)
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:53 am to Woff Mom
However, rather than pull him from the expensive school, they just bitched at him and kept making him return year after year.
How terrible. My God, they made him return to his expensive school. How could he go on?
His lifestyle choices were about as UNselfish as you get. Had he been selfish, he would have taken his life savings with him and lived comfortably rather than donating it all to CHARITY to feed hungry children and he wouldn't have been essentially homeless for the next few years.
He could have used his education to make a great living and donate far more over the course of his life than he gave away after graduation.
How terrible. My God, they made him return to his expensive school. How could he go on?
His lifestyle choices were about as UNselfish as you get. Had he been selfish, he would have taken his life savings with him and lived comfortably rather than donating it all to CHARITY to feed hungry children and he wouldn't have been essentially homeless for the next few years.
He could have used his education to make a great living and donate far more over the course of his life than he gave away after graduation.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:55 am to Dr Rosenrosen
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However, rather than pull him from the expensive school, they just bitched at him and kept making him return year after year.
This reply was in response that he owed his parents for sending him to the school and blowing so much on his education. It was THEIR choice to do so, he didn't want to go.
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