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I'm sure you guys have already discussed Dunkirk ad nauseum, but DAMN

Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:52 pm
Best movie I've seen in years. If you haven't seen it, go see it today. Go alone if you have to. It's magnificent. The Hans Zimmer score alone is worth the price of admission.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:53 pm to
Here's your attention.
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:55 pm to
Gotta say, I'm sure I'm in the minority. Wasn't a huge fan. They said there are 400k men on this beach. But what I saw looked more like 4,000 instead of 400,000. The build up was great, but the scale made it not very impressive to me. Still recommend going to see it.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:56 pm to
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The Hans Zimmer score alone is worth the price of admission.


No the sound mixing is worth the price of admission.

The gunshots and planes sound like they are in the theatre with you.

See it in IMAX
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 3:31 pm to
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Wasn't a huge fan. They said there are 400k men on this beach. But what I saw looked more like 4,000 instead of 400,000.


Yeah the scale is disappointing as well as the scale of damage.

The cinematography was great but we get basically one real story (the civilian boat) amid sporadic bombs and sporadic gunfire from maybe a total of 4 planes...and long moments of Kenneth Branaugh staring into the sky.

Where were the Germans? In reality, six British and three French destroyers were sunk, along with nine other major vessels. In addition, 19 destroyers were damaged. Over 200 British and Allied sea craft were sunk. The RAF lost 145 aircraft including 42 spitfires.

For every 7 soldiers evacuated there was 1 who was captured as a POW and marched back to Berlin.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 5:44 pm to
The score was extremely overbearing
Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 5:46 pm to
Dark Tower >>>>>>> Dunkirk
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 6:14 pm to
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Where were the Germans? In reality, six British and three French destroyers were sunk, along with nine other major vessels. In addition, 19 destroyers were damaged. Over 200 British and Allied sea craft were sunk. The RAF lost 145 aircraft including 42 spitfires.

For every 7 soldiers evacuated there was 1 who was captured as a POW and marched back to Berlin.


So you wanted a documentary
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 6:25 pm to
Yep, loved it. Its a movie that needs to be seen on the big screen.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35444 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 6:39 pm to
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So you wanted a documentary


I wanted a WWII movie. There are war movies that have been made that are to scale and at least 50% accurate.
I wanted a movie about an historical event. Not an art film that uses Dunkirk to make a movie about filmmaking.

But I understand it's an art piece...because it's really not about Dunkirk as a part of history. 2 Spitfires and 4 Luftwaffe planes? One instance of U-boat torpedo...when there were close to 100.

I don't need a documentary - and understand he's shooting a snapshot and didn't want to take the effort to make the grand scale of reality. It's a niche film...artistic piece. But it's not Dunkirk like other War movies can be said to be fairly representative of what happened. Just have a disclaimer, "this is a re-imagining of historical events at the beginning."

Malick has done the same thing with a Thin Red Line and I love that movie so have no problem with it. But Malick was aiming for something different and veers off from war - Nolan is aiming for a specific re-telling of a specific event with less is more. It just doesn't carry weight. He's not being philosophical like Malick - he's supposedly re-telling a hard core fact and event and reduces it to minimal levels.

The small scale of the drama made the impending doom ring hollow as far as stoking the audience. The threat was barely noticable on screen. Long shots of calmly standing in line...no gunfire in the background - villages near full of the German Army...just mostly calm but for two or three planes.

I don't need a documentary but I need the apprehension of fear on a scale something like this deserves...some semblence of potential calamity about to befall on screen...not just talk or hinting of it. The only fear realized on screen is the talk of it by Brannaugh - again just staring into the sky as calm as a Hindu cow.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 6:40 pm
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 6:56 pm to
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The small scale of the drama made the impending doom ring hollow as far as stoking the audience. The threat was barely noticable on screen.


Some people felt that way. But obviously the majority of people who have seen it didn't feel that way.

We're there 300-400k people on the beaches in the movie? No, not even close. Did we actually see the Germans taking POWs before the very end? No we didn't. But that didn't take away from the movie for me and it still portrayed a huge threat that the Germans were imo

There's not a right or wrong answer when discussing liking or not liking something as subjective as a movie. I just find it annoying when someone uses their experience or interpretation as a fact and goes on to use that to justify why the movie sucks or is great and ignores all other opinions. However I now realize you were against this movie before you ever saw it and were clinging to the few negative reviews out there so I'm not surprised

Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 7:07 pm to
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See it in IMAX

Bout pissed myself when Tom Hardy first got shot at
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3476 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 7:15 pm to
I have not seen the movie, but do have a question. Did they ever show a Spitfire roll over?


The early models Spits had a very bad flaw, the engine would near stop running due to lack of fuel if rolled to far and totally stop if rolled over. This problem was not fixed unto between March-May 1941.

The Me 109 had a large advantage over the Spits in 1940.
Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 7:21 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 7:32 pm to
Saw it in IMAX.

Well worth it.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35444 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:18 pm to
It's weird any criticism of any historically based movie is met with "what, you want a documentary!"

Well, I don't want a documentary on D-Day...but I also wouldn't want Tom Hanks alone - firing a rifle against one lone German in a bunker on Normendy Beach and every critic saying, it captures the essense of D-Day. Ooh-la-la!

So Dunkirk could have been a little more.

I mean, they made epic war movies in the 60's and 70's - hell look at the giant cast of Waterloo - I don't know why everything has to be so dumbed down now...like the audience can't follow more than 3 characters because we're too stupid to have read or understood history.

Would Gettysburg ever be made again? I doubt it. Would Lawrence of Arabia, I doubt it. Waterloo will never be remade unless it's all CGI Gladiator.

I had read reviews of this epic scale movie of 400,000 true soldiers and we get a small film with 1/10th the promised cast or scale and almost no real damage and no real fear because you see maybe 2 Luftwaffee sporadically in the sky...

Das Boot has 10X more tension as well as Paths of Glory.

This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted by apfour21
New Orleans, LA
Member since Nov 2012
3143 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:12 pm to
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The small scale of the drama made the impending doom ring hollow as far as stoking the audience. The threat was barely noticable on screen. Long shots of calmly standing in line...no gunfire in the background - villages near full of the German Army...just mostly calm but for two or three planes.

Completely agree. The movie made it seem like there was no sense of urgency which made it extremely boring especially when the characters were boring as well. It was a well made movie with great visuals but I was very disappointed.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4583 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:47 pm to
We must have watched different movies
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:50 pm to
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The gunshots and planes sound like they are in the theatre with you.

See it in IMAX



This
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:52 pm to
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mizzoubuckeyeiowa
First of all. You had already made a full-scale criticism of the movie before you even watched it. You took one negative review, and then presented it as some representation of all the reviews. You weren't going to like it no matter how great it was. But to address your points:
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But I understand it's an art piece...because it's really not about Dunkirk as a part of history.
So it's an art piece but it's not really about a historical event.
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But Malick was aiming for something different and veers off from war - Nolan is aiming for a specific re-telling of a specific event with less is more.
Wait. So it was an art piece, not about a historical event, but NOW it was a retelling of an event? It's like you want to criticize because it's not one thing, then turn around and want to criticize it for the complete opposite reason.
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The small scale of the drama made the impending doom ring hollow as far as stoking the audience.
By audience, you mean YOU. Apparently the vast majority of people felt the opposite.
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Long shots of calmly standing in line...no gunfire in the background - villages near full of the German Army...just mostly calm but for two or three planes.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it happened.

You say you want a movie that tells about a historical event, then criticize it for being historically accurate.

Your criticism is as ridiculous as Armond White, with half the cleverness. It's some of the most pseudointellectual drivel I've ever seen. You remind me of this character from Midnight in Paris:

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