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re: I rewatched "Blackwater" last night.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:01 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:01 am to OMLandshark
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WotW is an episode of all style and no substance.
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:08 am to DelU249
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7 & 8 will be the weakest seasons, but good enough to where I can't wait every week for the latest episode
Nothing will come close to being as bad as Season 5
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:11 am to Carson123987
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Nothing will come close to being as bad as Season 5
Yeah, the only things I look back on fondly from Season 5 are Cersei's and Jon's arcs. The rest was a stunning drop off of quality between Seasons 4 and 5 and made all the more apparent by a return to form in Season 6.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:16 am to Carson123987
Not my favorite but I think the first 3 episodes of this season were among the worst
Last episode was trending similarly until the battle.
Last episode was trending similarly until the battle.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:23 am to DelU249
I thought 3 was really good.
And Game of Thrones tends to lack in the first 2 episodes save for Seasons 1 and 4 (although 4 had more to do with starting in the middle of an action packed book). Season 6 two worst episodes are easily the first two.
And Game of Thrones tends to lack in the first 2 episodes save for Seasons 1 and 4 (although 4 had more to do with starting in the middle of an action packed book). Season 6 two worst episodes are easily the first two.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:49 am to OMLandshark
it's not that there wasn't action and it was dialogue, it's that 3 episodes worth of dialogue didn't really service the progression of the story nor did we need that much of it to inform the upcoming plot developments
take jon:
episode 1 stands around talking and sansa is undermining him...all about the umbers and karstarks
episode 2 stands around talking about whether he should go to dragonstone. reinforces sansa is undermining him.
episode 3 goes to dragonstone...won't bend the knee but gets permission to dig dragonglass
episode 4 still on dragonstone...won't bend the knee, still hasn't started mining dragonglass, takes a walk with daeny (with whom he has zero on screen chemistry) in a cave to tell her something we already know.
wht made those episodes so boring is that the exposition serves to inform the other characters about stuff we already know. how they handled the stark reunion was much better...sansa, Brienne, and every major character at winterfell gets caught up on arya's character visually by seeing her fight rather than expository dialogue retelling what we've already seen. so it updates the characters being reunited and isn't boring for us...and it's quicker and more effective. jon and daeny, they've just had the same conversation like 3 or 4 times and it's boring.
take jon:
episode 1 stands around talking and sansa is undermining him...all about the umbers and karstarks
episode 2 stands around talking about whether he should go to dragonstone. reinforces sansa is undermining him.
episode 3 goes to dragonstone...won't bend the knee but gets permission to dig dragonglass
episode 4 still on dragonstone...won't bend the knee, still hasn't started mining dragonglass, takes a walk with daeny (with whom he has zero on screen chemistry) in a cave to tell her something we already know.
wht made those episodes so boring is that the exposition serves to inform the other characters about stuff we already know. how they handled the stark reunion was much better...sansa, Brienne, and every major character at winterfell gets caught up on arya's character visually by seeing her fight rather than expository dialogue retelling what we've already seen. so it updates the characters being reunited and isn't boring for us...and it's quicker and more effective. jon and daeny, they've just had the same conversation like 3 or 4 times and it's boring.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:57 am to Carson123987
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Nothing will come close to being as bad as Season 5
and i was called an a-hole for pointing this out in real time
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:59 am to DelU249
nm i thought you said last season
first 2 episodes this season sucked
third was solid
4th wwas mediocre
first 2 episodes this season sucked
third was solid
4th wwas mediocre
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
what people have a hard time coming to grips with is that the 4th book flat out sucks and the 5th book is just ok at best. the epic storytelling got too epic.
the mereen pits assassination attempt on game of thrones was much better and more concise than DwD. the stuff with the faith militant is better in the show than in either book. the stuff with aegon in the books is just terrible and filler. the stuff with the greyjoys and euron was just pointless filler. the whole thing about the dornish prince traveling to mereen to forge an alliance with daeny was pointless filler. the stuff with fake sansa was just pointless filler. Brienne and pod was just nothing until lady stoneheart. worst chapters in all of the books. he just abandoned the larger story elements
and it's no coincidence this is where the largest divergences from the source material begins. scratch lady stoneheart, scratch fake sansa and sub for real sansa, scrap mance being alive and replace him with theon, scrap all the stuff about aegon being alive, completely rework Tyrion's journey to mereen, scrap Brienne and pod just wandering about aimlessly and have them on a mission to rescue sansa
I think they did the best with the material (and lack of material)
6 was a return to form because they were pretty much free from the source material but close enough to it to make logical jumps free from martin's compulsory habit of convoluting things. it brought a compelling end to otherwise boring storylines. cerseii takes the throne instead of trying (unsuccessfully) to maneuver behind the scenes, jon is king in the north, arya becomes a faceless man, daeny comes to westeros (fricking finally)
when or if martin ever resumes writing the series it will probably suck because it's too much to resolve. he has the characters stuck in place and without progressing them he just keeps adding useless filler on. feast for crows sucks...and season 5 is the most boring season so far as a result but satisfying nonetheless.
the mereen pits assassination attempt on game of thrones was much better and more concise than DwD. the stuff with the faith militant is better in the show than in either book. the stuff with aegon in the books is just terrible and filler. the stuff with the greyjoys and euron was just pointless filler. the whole thing about the dornish prince traveling to mereen to forge an alliance with daeny was pointless filler. the stuff with fake sansa was just pointless filler. Brienne and pod was just nothing until lady stoneheart. worst chapters in all of the books. he just abandoned the larger story elements
and it's no coincidence this is where the largest divergences from the source material begins. scratch lady stoneheart, scratch fake sansa and sub for real sansa, scrap mance being alive and replace him with theon, scrap all the stuff about aegon being alive, completely rework Tyrion's journey to mereen, scrap Brienne and pod just wandering about aimlessly and have them on a mission to rescue sansa
I think they did the best with the material (and lack of material)
6 was a return to form because they were pretty much free from the source material but close enough to it to make logical jumps free from martin's compulsory habit of convoluting things. it brought a compelling end to otherwise boring storylines. cerseii takes the throne instead of trying (unsuccessfully) to maneuver behind the scenes, jon is king in the north, arya becomes a faceless man, daeny comes to westeros (fricking finally)
when or if martin ever resumes writing the series it will probably suck because it's too much to resolve. he has the characters stuck in place and without progressing them he just keeps adding useless filler on. feast for crows sucks...and season 5 is the most boring season so far as a result but satisfying nonetheless.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 11:51 am to DelU249
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what people have a hard time coming to grips with is that the 4th book flat out sucks and the 5th book is just ok at best. the epic storytelling got too epic.
the mereen pits assassination attempt on game of thrones was much better and more concise than DwD. the stuff with the faith militant is better in the show than in either book. the stuff with aegon in the books is just terrible and filler. the stuff with the greyjoys and euron was just pointless filler. the whole thing about the dornish prince traveling to mereen to forge an alliance with daeny was pointless filler. the stuff with fake sansa was just pointless filler. Brienne and pod was just nothing until lady stoneheart. worst chapters in all of the books. he just abandoned the larger story elements
and it's no coincidence this is where the largest divergences from the source material begins. scratch lady stoneheart, scratch fake sansa and sub for real sansa, scrap mance being alive and replace him with theon, scrap all the stuff about aegon being alive, completely rework Tyrion's journey to mereen, scrap Brienne and pod just wandering about aimlessly and have them on a mission to rescue sansa
I think they did the best with the material (and lack of material)
6 was a return to form because they were pretty much free from the source material but close enough to it to make logical jumps free from martin's compulsory habit of convoluting things. it brought a compelling end to otherwise boring storylines. cerseii takes the throne instead of trying (unsuccessfully) to maneuver behind the scenes, jon is king in the north, arya becomes a faceless man, daeny comes to westeros (fricking finally)
when or if martin ever resumes writing the series it will probably suck because it's too much to resolve. he has the characters stuck in place and without progressing them he just keeps adding useless filler on. feast for crows sucks...and season 5 is the most boring season so far as a result but satisfying nonetheless.
I disagreed with what you were saying about seasons 7 and 8 being the weakest, but I agree with a lot of this.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:27 pm to ohiovol
7 & 8 being the weakest depends on how they fare this far past the source material.
first 2 episodes for sure weren't really a good start.
so far Jaime, jon, daeny, cersei and everyone have been transparent with the political maneuvering. Jaime just asks tarly to head the armies and promises him dominion over the reach. Tyrion flat out tells us his plan (though I like how his plan was turned on him)
they're just putting the cards on the table for these scenes. instead of giving us something and leaving us with some intrigue and speculation. for instance when roose Bolton meets Jaime Lannister...there was something going on, we were given a taste, but we weren't told explicitly Bolton was allied with the lannisters and was going to betray robb. the only time I've felt like I don't know what's going to happen or at least i don't feel like i'm just being told what is going to happen is during the battle scenes...oh frick, they might kill drogon, they might kill Jaime, they might kill bronn, daeny may be defeated. the iron fleet battle, it felt like who lives/who dies who wins/who loses was all up in the air
first 2 episodes for sure weren't really a good start.
so far Jaime, jon, daeny, cersei and everyone have been transparent with the political maneuvering. Jaime just asks tarly to head the armies and promises him dominion over the reach. Tyrion flat out tells us his plan (though I like how his plan was turned on him)
they're just putting the cards on the table for these scenes. instead of giving us something and leaving us with some intrigue and speculation. for instance when roose Bolton meets Jaime Lannister...there was something going on, we were given a taste, but we weren't told explicitly Bolton was allied with the lannisters and was going to betray robb. the only time I've felt like I don't know what's going to happen or at least i don't feel like i'm just being told what is going to happen is during the battle scenes...oh frick, they might kill drogon, they might kill Jaime, they might kill bronn, daeny may be defeated. the iron fleet battle, it felt like who lives/who dies who wins/who loses was all up in the air
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:31 pm to DelU249
I hate what the show has done to LF by having him give Sansa to the Boltons instead of keeping her safe with him in The Vale, and having real Sansa lose her maidenhead to a known psycho rapist.
Basically it marked his character fatally flawed and condemned him to death no matter what he did afterward...say what you want about GRRM and his convoluted storytelling, but he never left a major character in an un-redeemable arc, except for Joffrey and Ramsey who were never meant to be redeemed.
Basically it marked his character fatally flawed and condemned him to death no matter what he did afterward...say what you want about GRRM and his convoluted storytelling, but he never left a major character in an un-redeemable arc, except for Joffrey and Ramsey who were never meant to be redeemed.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 12:48 pm to 19
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Basically it marked his character fatally flawed and condemned him to death no matter what he did afterward
he betrayed ned stark, he provoked maybe the entire war by manipulating already existing tensions between the starks and lannisters.
everything littlefinger does is for littlefinger. it's to get above where he is. he was never redeemable.
also, once the tyrells come into the picture, sansa is useless and her only importance is to tywin Lannister who wants to use her for the long term future of his family name. the boltons just plan on marrying a fake sansa stark, no one cares. in the show they make her an important chess piece to whoever intends to hold the north. it seems like he's betting on stannis taking winterfell and then marrying sansa and controlling the north...combined with his ties to the vale, he'll make a play for the throne.
so while it didn't make for the most compelling game of thrones story, it was certainly better than the books and for me very enjoyable television.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:05 pm to Slippy
Battle of the Bastards may be the best battle sequence in Movie/TV history. Definitely one of, if not, the most immersive experiences I can recall.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:11 pm to DelU249
You can't really say seasons 7 & 8 will suck because the books are mediocre. The show is way past them.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:16 pm to DelU249
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takes a walk with daeny (with whom he has zero on screen chemistry)
Agreed. That's why Jon grabbing Dany foreman felt weird. There were no believable attraction between the two like John and ygritte. I mean one episode Jon couldn't take one step closer to Dany with Dothraki Guards interfering. The next episode they're holding hands with no flirting in between episodes.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:17 pm to PeteRose
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Agreed. That's why Jon grabbing Dany foreman felt weird. There were no believable attraction between the two like John and ygritte. I mean one episode Jon couldn't take one step closer to Dany with Dothraki Guards interfering. The next episode they're holding hands with no flirting in between episodes.
You know what that means for the next ep
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:22 pm to DelU249
I highly doubt LF's play in the books is to marry Sansa and get the Iron Throne. He has no shot at the later. As Varys put it in earlier seasons, LF would see this country burn to be king of the ashes. All LF wants in the books is for the highborn system to fall and only in the end for them to realize he outsmarted them all. He's not motivated by power in the books but by vengeance.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:27 pm to OMLandshark
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I highly doubt LF's play in the books is to marry Sansa and get the Iron Throne. He has no shot at the later. As Varys put it in earlier seasons, LF would see this country burn to be king of the ashes. All LF wants in the books is for the highborn system to fall and only in the end for them to realize he outsmarted them all. He's not motivated by power in the books but by vengeance.
What is he trying to avenge? Being lowborn?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 1:28 pm to Triple Bogey
The only thing I didn't like was Jon standing there by himself looking at Ramsay's Calvary then out of nowhere Jon's Calvary shows up to prevent him from getting run over. Your eyes accept it but your minds doesn't. Go what reaction videos for this episode and people were happy Jon was save but were like "wtf?!"
I mean Jon gets to midfield trying to save rickon. Rickon dies, Jon continues to charge, gets knock off his horse, Stands up, sees 500 charging horses, pulls out his sword. Then slow epic music comes on making you think Jon vs 500 charging Calvary with "this is how I'm going to go out" attitude. Then Jon gets saved.
At least take out the music so it doesn't cheapen the scene. It's classic bait and switch "look, something impossible and epic is going to happen", ok, got your attention? Eh, "just kidding".
I mean Jon gets to midfield trying to save rickon. Rickon dies, Jon continues to charge, gets knock off his horse, Stands up, sees 500 charging horses, pulls out his sword. Then slow epic music comes on making you think Jon vs 500 charging Calvary with "this is how I'm going to go out" attitude. Then Jon gets saved.
At least take out the music so it doesn't cheapen the scene. It's classic bait and switch "look, something impossible and epic is going to happen", ok, got your attention? Eh, "just kidding".
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