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re: I have heard that "The Patriot" is terribly inaccurate and offensive to the British
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:18 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:18 am to CGSC Lobotomy
propaganda gonna prop
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Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:18 am to Kel Varnsen
The British were also pissed that the film wasn't honest about America itself and not just British bashing.
I read a review in the Guardian that complains Gibson shows the Americans as can do no wrong moral beacons and the British as colonial slave-holders.
According to The Patriot, slavery was practically nonexistent in South Carolina and really not that bad, anyway. The few slaves shown are a cheerful lot, all of whom have been given their freedom to retire to a beachside cabaña. There's even a token slave in Martin's militia. "We will have a chance to make a new world," Martin's son Gabriel (Heath Ledger) tells him earnestly, "where all men are equal in the sight of God." "Equal," intones the slave. "That sounds good."
Don't get your hopes up, old chap. It took the civil war to end slavery in the US, almost a century after The Patriot is set. Even then, South Carolina was on the wrong side, being so attached to slaveholding that it was the first state to secede from the Union after Abraham Lincoln's election.
I read a review in the Guardian that complains Gibson shows the Americans as can do no wrong moral beacons and the British as colonial slave-holders.
According to The Patriot, slavery was practically nonexistent in South Carolina and really not that bad, anyway. The few slaves shown are a cheerful lot, all of whom have been given their freedom to retire to a beachside cabaña. There's even a token slave in Martin's militia. "We will have a chance to make a new world," Martin's son Gabriel (Heath Ledger) tells him earnestly, "where all men are equal in the sight of God." "Equal," intones the slave. "That sounds good."
Don't get your hopes up, old chap. It took the civil war to end slavery in the US, almost a century after The Patriot is set. Even then, South Carolina was on the wrong side, being so attached to slaveholding that it was the first state to secede from the Union after Abraham Lincoln's election.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 12:01 pm to LakeViewLSU
The church scene was fricking laughable bullshite. The British had every reason to be pissed at that scene.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 3:35 pm to LakeViewLSU
It offends me as American w/how pathetically inaccurate it is. The Patriot is a TRASH movie. The love this board gives it is baffling.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 3:46 pm to LakeViewLSU
Id love to hear their opinion of austin powers.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 3:57 pm to Dr RC
It's not total trash but it's deliberately bubble-gum to appeal to the masses...as a Summer blockbuster popcorn movie.
I don't know why the Brits would really take that much offence (as they would say) to it. That's like Cliff Clavin getting upset over how inaccurate The Postman is.
I don't know why the Brits would really take that much offence (as they would say) to it. That's like Cliff Clavin getting upset over how inaccurate The Postman is.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:04 pm to Gusoline
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Id love to hear their opinion of austin powers.
Myers was Canadian and I think his parents were British.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:28 pm to Carson123987
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Horrible fricking movie
I hate this movie with such a passion. It's offensive how terrible it is.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 4:31 pm to LakeViewLSU
They lost, we won and we are still winning.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 5:08 pm to t00f
It is a very bad movie from the historical point of view.
Getting many points in history wrong, that being said it was a good movie until near 1/3 the way into the movie.
Just know this, the revolutionary war was not a nice war you see in most history books.
The British wanted to control the preachers in American even before the war, just as when Hitler came to power in 1933 and the take over of what could be preached in a church in Germany. When you see the point of freedom of speech in the Bill of Rights, this was one of the major issues.
During the war the British did burn some churches (but no one in them) and used churches to store supplies and placed horses in many. This was done to stop the news and ideas from going town to town. Many of the main preachers in American before the war had come from England and were very vocal in their support for American freedom, and to cut ties with England.
Getting many points in history wrong, that being said it was a good movie until near 1/3 the way into the movie.
Just know this, the revolutionary war was not a nice war you see in most history books.
The British wanted to control the preachers in American even before the war, just as when Hitler came to power in 1933 and the take over of what could be preached in a church in Germany. When you see the point of freedom of speech in the Bill of Rights, this was one of the major issues.
During the war the British did burn some churches (but no one in them) and used churches to store supplies and placed horses in many. This was done to stop the news and ideas from going town to town. Many of the main preachers in American before the war had come from England and were very vocal in their support for American freedom, and to cut ties with England.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 5:14 pm to tigger1
Never watched it. There are several MG movies I refuse to watch, this one and Passion for different reasons.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:41 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
True but the British in that time frame were known for some atrocities. Also, they actually did something similar to the Acadians. Which is why the Cajuns hated the British for generations. The British people believed it more acceptable to miss treat the French colonist than their own.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:51 am to lsufightingtigers1
It's a movie and as others said not a documentary. It's also about war, probably had atrocities unknown.. and again it's just a movie.
Enjoy it for what it is. Your standard good guys vs bad guys.
Enjoy it for what it is. Your standard good guys vs bad guys.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:54 am to LakeViewLSU
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:25 am to beauchristopher
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Enjoy it for what it is.
Lady Chatterley's tits.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:41 am to beauchristopher
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Enjoy it for what it is. Your standard good guys vs bad guys.
It doesn't do that well either.
Braveheart is horribly inaccurate too but it kicks arse anyway. The Patriot is over the top melodramatic tripe.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:42 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:13 am to RollTide1987
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Im pretty sure its the burning women and children in the church scene.
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This is it exactly. There is no record of this ever happening anywhere during the Revolutionary War.
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The church-burning scene in The Patriot is actually based on an incident from World War II, when Nazi soldiers burned a group of French villagers alive. There is no evidence that a similar event took place during the American Revolution.
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:33 pm to LakeViewLSU
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and offensive to the British
but are they appalled? We can only care if they are also appalled
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:34 pm to LakeViewLSU
quote:Have you seen the british show outlander? where they have a red coat who is completely sadistic that tortures and rapes another dude.....
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I would like to know what specifically is offensive...other than the part where they limp their shite back across the pond
Im pretty sure its the burning women and children in the church scene.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:40 pm to Dr RC
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It offends me as American w/how pathetically inaccurate it is.
I hate how the movie went out of its way to portray Gibson's character as a guy with no slaves, but free laborers.
I mean, this is 18th century South Carolina and Gibson's character was a plantation owner. Lets be real here.
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