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re: Heath Ledger as The Joker
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:32 pm to Breesus
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:32 pm to Breesus
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Explain to me what made the most vanilla predictable cheesiest love story ever or live action fern gully great movies.
I'm not the biggest fan of Avatar. However there is no way it is as bad as you say it is. But never, for a moment, will I buy that Titanic was bad or even had a bad script. To me, it is that rare movie that achieves an old-fashioned quality that is classical and wholehearted, rather than starchy and square.
Was the movie a garishly written youth soap opera? I counted a handful of goofy lines, like Billy Zane’s idiot-jerk dismissal of Picasso. There are other lines you can pick at, but most of the dialogue in Titanic has an old-meets-new flow. It’s courtly yet very alive. Besides, the real achievement of the script is its ingeniously organic structure – the way that DiCaprio’s Jack, for instance, describes what it’s like to dive into the icy Atlantic water, thereby setting up the disaster that will happen several days later and, most chillingly, foreshadowing his own death.
Or the way that Winslet’s Rose is shown to be trapped by her status as insidiously as a Jane Austen heroine. Or the way that Cameron, once the ship hits that iceberg, uses the final hour of the movie to sketch in a hundred little portraits of how people might really act when they know they’re going to die. The gentility of the musicians is so touching it’s wrenching; the dastardliness of Zane’s gilded douchebag is so monstrous it’s totally authentic.
Or the way that that iconic shot of the Titanic dining-suite door opening up, with the head waiter beckoning us in, works on about four levels at once: It’s Jack being welcomed to the upper-class quarters that he would never, by himself, have had access to; it’s the whole up-and-coming American middle class being ushered into the world of material indulgence; it’s Cameron inviting us aboard his movie; and it’s the movie, at the climax of that miraculous gliding shot near the end, when the rusty wreck of the Titanic morphs into the ship’s creamy former glory, letting us know that the Titanic is now not just a part of history but also a part of Heaven.
In other words: Man, did that script suck, or what? I believe that the movie the Titanic bashers such as yourself are talking about – the junky embarrassing one, the one with cringe-worthy dialogue, the one that only a teenager could love – is a figment of your imagination.
It's one of my Top 15 favorite movies. It's a technical triumph that harkens back to the old Hollywood epics of the 1950s. Anyone who says it's a bad movie or wasn't deserving of Best Picture just doesn't know film.
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Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:35 pm to JombieZombie
I judged it on my own, I didn't let RT cloud my opinion. Plenty of bad things, but some cool stuff too.
He might not've won the Oscar, but he still gave an amazing perfoance as an iconic villain in a fantastic movie.
He might not've won the Oscar, but he still gave an amazing perfoance as an iconic villain in a fantastic movie.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:37 pm to RollTide1987
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However there is no way it is as bad as you say it is.
The crux of the entire movie is that one ever thought of just jumping on top of a bird. The movies script, plot, and acting were God awful.
As for your Titanic spiel, I bet that Dicaprio poster in your parents basement is extremely wrinkled and sticky
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:38 pm to RollTide1987
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Explain to me what made the most vanilla predictable cheesiest love story ever or live action fern gully great movies.
That a shite ton of people found enjoyment in them?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:42 pm to RollTide1987
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Anyone who says it's a bad movie or wasn't deserving of Best Picture just doesn't know film.
Good Will hunting is a better movie than Titanic. It should've beaten Titanic and this:
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So if I asked you about art, you’d probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life’s work, political aspirations, him and the pope, sexual orientations, the whole works, right? But I’ll bet you can’t tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You’ve never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling; seen that. If I ask you about women, you’d probably give me a syllabus about your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can’t tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy. You’re a tough kid. And I’d ask you about war, you’d probably throw Shakespeare at me, right, “once more unto the breach dear friends.” But you’ve never been near one. You’ve never held your best friend’s head in your lap, watch him gasp his last breath looking to you for help. I’d ask you about love, you’d probably quote me a sonnet. But you’ve never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable. Known someone that could level you with her eyes, feeling like God put an angel on earth just for you. Who could rescue you from the depths of hell. And you wouldn’t know what it’s like to be her angel, to have that love for her, be there forever, through anything, through cancer. And you wouldn’t know about sleeping sitting up in the hospital room for two months, holding her hand, because the doctors could see in your eyes, that the terms “visiting hours” don’t apply to you. You don’t know about real loss, ’cause it only occurs when you’ve loved something more than you love yourself. And I doubt you’ve ever dared to love anybody that much. And look at you… I don’t see an intelligent, confident man… I see a cocky, scared shitless kid. But you’re a genius Will. No one denies that. No one could possibly understand the depths of you. But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine, and you ripped my fricking life apart. You’re an orphan right? … You think I know the first thing about how hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are, because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you? Personally… I don’t give a shite about all that, because you know what, I can’t learn anything from you, I can’t read in some frickin’ book. Unless you want to talk about you, who you are. Then I’m fascinated. I’m in. But you don’t want to do that do you sport? You’re terrified of what you might say. Your move, chief.
Is head and shoulders better than any section of dialogue in the Titanic movie.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:43 pm to DanglingFury
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That a shite ton of people found enjoyment in them?
Same goes for meth, crack, and Twilight
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:55 pm to Breesus
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Same goes for meth, crack, and Twilight
One person's great movie is another person's cliched, formulaic, super good looking appeal to the masses.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:57 pm to DanglingFury
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another person's cliched, formulaic, super good looking appeal to the masses.
Requiem
Fargo
Frank
Those are great and are not cliched or formulaic nor do they appeal to the masses. They're just phenomenal movies.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:19 pm to Breesus
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Is head and shoulders better than any section of dialogue in the Titanic movie.
I agree with you that Good Will Hunting was the better-written script. The screenplay for that film was nothing short of phenomenal. Same thing goes for its partner in the Adapted Screenplay category, L.A. Confidential. However, a better screenplay does not equate to a better film. You reward a film for taking risks and Titanic took many more risks than Good Will Hunting did.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:22 pm to Breesus
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The crux of the entire movie is that one ever thought of just jumping on top of a bird. The movies script, plot, and acting were God awful.
It was a mediocre film. But to say it is the second worst film ever made is stretching it beyond reason.
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As for your Titanic spiel, I bet that Dicaprio poster in your parents basement is extremely wrinkled and sticky
So instead of addressing the points I made you insult me? You're really bad at debate.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:22 pm to NorthShoreTiger44
Ledger absoutely nailed the Joker character. Anyone claiming otherwise is trolling.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:27 pm to imjustafatkid
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Ledger absoutely nailed the Joker character. Anyone claiming otherwise is trolling.
this. He was the perfect Joker in Nolans Batman. He still had that dark comedic side but it didn't seem cartoon like.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 2:13 am to Breesus
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At the very least they should've shown JGL get beaten to death and shot by the first group of thugs he tried to go up against with no training or skills.
JGL played a cop who is literally trained to fight thugs.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 2:33 am to Breesus
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I consider Titanic one of the shittiest movies ever made. And Avatar was the second worst movie I've ever seen in theatres next to AI.
I don't think I've ever agreed with two consecutive sentences so strongly.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 2:45 am to NorthShoreTiger44
I thought Ledger's Joker was great, but being nominated, much less actually winning, best supporting actor was sentimental crap. But I thought all the nominees for that category were incredibly weak that year so I don't have a huge problem with it. RDJ for Tropic Thunder? WTF?
Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellen have all put up better, more consistent performances for iconic comic book characters and have never even sniffed a nomination (for their X-Men performances)- not that I think any of them are deserving.
FWIW, even though he wasn't in the bulk of the movie, I thought Madhur Mittal, who played the oldest version of Salim in Slumdog Millionaire had the best supporting performance that year.
Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellen have all put up better, more consistent performances for iconic comic book characters and have never even sniffed a nomination (for their X-Men performances)- not that I think any of them are deserving.
FWIW, even though he wasn't in the bulk of the movie, I thought Madhur Mittal, who played the oldest version of Salim in Slumdog Millionaire had the best supporting performance that year.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 2:51 am
Posted on 1/31/15 at 6:03 am to ManBearTiger
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Posted on 1/31/15 at 7:39 am to RollTide1987
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You reward a film for taking risks and Titanic took many more risks
What risks did Titanic take? You know they didn't actually sink a boat right?
Posted on 1/31/15 at 7:42 am to RollTide1987
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But to say it is the second worst film ever made is stretching it beyond reason.
I said second worst film I've ever seen in theatres. Not ever made. But it's certainly down there.
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So instead of addressing the points I made you insult me? You're really bad at debate.
Most of your points were obnoxious and unfounded. They didn't deserve a response. You think Kate in that movie is some heroin because she's a rich stuck up snob who fricks a poor kid she's known for an hour in a car on a boat then let's him kill himself in ice water?
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 7:50 am
Posted on 1/31/15 at 7:45 am to TomyDingo
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JGL played a cop who is literally trained to fight thugs.
Bruce was the best trained assassin in the world poised to take over Raz's empire before he left the league of shadows. He's basically the best hand to hand combat veteran in the world and in the first movie and part of the second movie he still sometimes struggled in big fights and he had other techniques to rely on from his training in the mountains.
JGL is a street cop. A street cop dude. There's nothing special about him. He' be dead in a week.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 7:45 am to ManBearTiger
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