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re: GoT S7 E5 "Eastwatch" MAESTERS THREAD

Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:00 pm to
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I don't think i "hate" him, some of his decisions frustrate me.

Also his brooding demeanor, "we fight with what we have" decisions, and he is too honorable / doesn't have enough fun for my tastes (fighting the ice zombies and being murdered will probably do that to a man).



I know right, I keep saying to myself, that goddamn Jon Snow needs to be having more fun. Hate that bastard. Think about all those opportunities he had to do like, ya know, fun activities and such... and that fricktard was just like... nah I've got too much brooding on my schedule.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:03 pm to
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jon snow is my favorite, but kit Harrington has zero chemistry with the actresses who play his love interest.


That seems like an odd thing to say about someone who has had a long term relationship IRL with his one actual love interest on the show.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:06 pm to
I don't know if you were being serious or not but he asked my why i don't like him. His brooding demeanor and general lack of happy moments on the show make it tough for me to like him as much.

I mean take Arya for example, she has gone through hell and back as well, but she gets some funny lines and has some fun - like when she kills people - and i like her a lot more than Jon.
Posted by cascadia
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:08 pm to
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DEM


What does this mean?
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:10 pm to
Democrat. This thread has gone political.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:10 pm to
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but kit Harrington has zero chemistry with the actresses who play his love interest.

I think they have great chemistry. In real life they're good friends and were rumored to be dating at one point.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:11 pm to
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nah I've got too much brooding on my schedule.
has any character seen more action?

he went behind the wall, joined the wildlings, climbed back over the wall, escaped the wildlings then went to craster's keep to fight the mutineers, then came back and fought the wildlings, then went to negotiate with mance and was there when Stannis' cavalry came and rode through the wildlings, then he became lord commander of the night's watch. then he went and fought the others beyond the wall past eastwatch and killed a white walker...THEEEEN he was murdered, resurrected by a witch and then went and retook winterfell from the boltons...

now for season 7 he does stand around complaining, and right at the moment I can't fricking stand it anymore...he's going back beyond the wall

Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:12 pm to
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In real life they're good friends and were rumored to be dating at one point.
doesn't translate to on screen chemistry. it's like veep where dan has no sexual tension with the girl he's actually fricking and plenty with the one he's not...
Posted by Methuselah
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:12 pm to
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quote:DEM What does this mean?


They are talking about their different interpetations of the concept of deus ex machina. One has a restrictive interpretation and the other has an expansive interpretation.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:12 pm to
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What does this mean?
Deus Ex Machina
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:23 pm to
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That seems like an odd thing to say about someone who has had a long term relationship IRL with his one actual love interest on the show.
is television real life? or is it television?

on screen, they're not good together. there's no tension, no chemistry. a lot of that has to do with the writing, the absence of subtext, no suggestive material of any kind.

it's also emilia Clarke who they're dressing like neo from the matrix. i'm not saying she needs to be nude and rubbing his dick, but there's just no sexual tension where there should be.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:23 pm to
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No. The reason she wrote the letter, from a plot perspective, is to start the friction with Jon
No, it was to get help from the Vale, as was proven later in that same episode. Because, you know, that's what happened. I think you're the only person who claims otherwise.
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She disagreed and wrote it without his knowledge.
Disagreed with what? She knew they were outnumbered and sent for the Vale. Jon didn't even know that was an option.
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The viewers didn't know who she was contacting
No, a lot of us did. It was pretty obvious.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:28 pm to
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is television real life? or is it television?

on screen, they're not good together. there's no tension, no chemistry. a lot of that has to do with the writing, the absence of subtext, no suggestive material of any kind.

it's also emilia Clarke who they're dressing like neo from the matrix. i'm not saying she needs to be nude and rubbing his dick, but there's just no sexual tension where there should be.


A. His IRL relationship was with Ygritte, ya know, his one actual love interest on the show so far. And I think they had good chemistry on the show, and it obviously carried over.

B. It's just projection by fanboys so far that Dany would be Jon's love interest.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:29 pm to
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No, it was to get help from the Vale, as was proven later in that same episode.
No. Her letter was written two eps before that episode.
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Because, you know, that's what happened.
What happened was an army no one was prepared for showed up at the very last moment to save the day. What happened because of the letter was mistrust between Sansa and Jon.
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Disagreed with what? She knew they were outnumbered and sent for the Vale. Jon didn't even know that was an option.
Disagreed with his persistence to go on to battle without continuing to try for support. Remember?
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No, a lot of us did. It was pretty obvious.
I said it was a good guess. Some people said Sweet Robin, too. And others just don't analyse it that much. Not us, huh?


ETA: I do commend you for devolving this argument into a DEM thing instead of what it was originally about which was that Jon did very little to win either of those battles without the unexpected (to him, we should agree), last-minute help from large armies. And that neither decision to send those armies was based on Jon's "inspiration".
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:34 pm to
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B. It's just projection by fanboys so far that Dany would be Jon's love interest.

It's kinda obvious that they're going to get together with all the "looking at her good heart" and Dany's new found care about him.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4583 posts
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:38 pm to
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It's kinda obvious that they're going to get together with all the "looking at her good heart" and Dany's new found care about him.


I'm not saying they aren't eventually going to be together, just at this point, there hasn't been enough interaction and progression of that particular story line for someone to say they have no sexual chemistry for their budding romantic relationship.
Posted by DelU249
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:40 pm to

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And I think they had good chemistry on the show
it was better, a lot better. but that had more to do with her than with him...and the writing was x rated it's also believable because he tries to resist her and the whole time he's still a crow

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It's just projection by fanboys so far that Dany would be Jon's love interest.
it wouldn't bother me except for the fact jon has been standing around all season because there's nothing else for him to do...they constantly are finding things for him to do too. pet a dragon, see theon for a few seconds, take a cave tour. he's had the most screen time with daeny and there's no on screen chemistry there...not just sexual tension...just no chemistry.

also jon marrying daeny is so predictable i'm kind of hoping it goes another way...it all seems really predictable and has for years. since he's not a stark I hope he takes the name and let's sansa ride his face. that chick got super hot over the past year.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:41 pm to
Emilia was doing a great job projecting longing for Jon in the last episode. Not sure what you were watching.
Posted by Mystery
Member since Jan 2009
9003 posts
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:41 pm to
To the guy who is dropping leaks as theories. You can EAD.

To people who have not seen the leaks or have not been spoiled by people who have, I would stay away from the maester threads. Just a warning.

Edit: Not replying to monkeybutt at all. I will not say who did it.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 3:44 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56585 posts
Posted on 8/15/17 at 3:42 pm to
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No. Her letter was written two eps before that episode.

Even better. It's even further removed from teh "friction" that you claim was being set up, which the rest of us saw as her asking for help.
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an army no one was prepared for showed up at the very last moment to save the day
Some of us were prepared for it. Most of us, actually.
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I said it was a good guess
Simple deduction.
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