re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***

Here you go, but I think some here have already started using it.

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she is going to marry another dude in the Vail that has a distant claim to the Vale. Littlefinger back-channels everything for this to work out

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Ser Harold Hardyng, who was the one time heir of Jon Arryn, prior to Robert being born.

I think LF is going to give Robert to Lyn Corbray, a pedophile with a sword of Valyrian steel. His brother was killed by the white walkers in the opening scene of the 1st show.

Poisoning or positioning

That was Waymar Royce, Bronze Yohn's son.

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That was a really really good episode last night.

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Hordor question: Did they attack the Wildings because they saw Jon Snow bring the dragon glass and trying to make peace with the Wildings? Or was it just a coincidence that Jon happened to be there right as winter came? I like to think those horseback ww were spying the whole time and "made" winter come because they didn't like what they saw with the peace talks. And that if they attacked right then they could secure the only known dragon glass. Or it was all just a coincidence?? Hordor out.

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It could've been either I guess, but I took it as just being a coincidence. It being a coincidence would lend more to Jon's decision being right to bring the Wildlings back before they are turned into wights.

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I think the timing happened because they saw all the empty boats show up. They can't very well command a massive army of dead wildlings if there aren't any dead wildlings around. So they see a shitload gathered together and that's okay. But when the boats show up and they start heading out to those boats, the WW's knew they had to act immediately.

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I could be had that that is what happened. They really didn't show one way or the other in the episode that I could tell. I don't think it changes that episode one way or the other. Either way, Jon's timing was impeccable.

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Didn't Hardhome happen in the books but Jon wasn't there? Is anybody from the NW there?

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I think it may have been referenced, but not an actual scene (like Robb's marriage while off on campaign).

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Didn't Hardhome happen in the books but Jon wasn't there? Is anybody from the NW there?

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Jon did send ships to Hardhome to get the Wildlings, but it was a much different outcome. All of the ships but 6 are destroyed by weather before they get there. When they get there, the Wildings are in a lot more desperate situation as slavers had started taking some, and they had started eating their own. The Wildlings try and take one of the ships by force, which causes Pyke (the leader of the expedition) to send Jon a letter to send help. Jon decides to go by foot, but then Tormund takes command of that expedition. We still don't know the outcome of the Wildings that are still alive in Hardhome.