re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***

jamie in dorne is just stupid and has been executed with the skill of pj explaining particle physics

the winterfell stuff is OK but kind of dragging and we've already well established that ramsay is a bastard. apparently sansa has learned nothing from littlefinger and it looks like a cliche'd fairtytale ending will occur (which is kind of funny b/c the "knight" is brienne)

king's landing is not bad but they really kind of rushed the advance of power of the holy men. they never really established much in the way of feelings towards religion that would established this kind of power. the monks don't carry real weapons, either. worst case scenario is you wait for the trial then bust in with knights and kill them all (if you couldn't just do it earlier). if the holy men commit murder of prisoners, they will lose any public support (if they even could), so the king could just send in his people to handle it. it would look silly but he's like 13 so that is to be expected. the people love margery, too, so what is the downside? it was a nice plot twist to see cersei caught (but it was spoiled by the pre-season release of pics)

i just can't get into the storyline at the wall. it's a very similar mini-conflict every time and dragged out

the essos storylines are ok. arya's is finally going somewhere. tyrion/jorah did have some major luck last night

we only have a few episodes left and there hasn't been much real movement on any of the major storylines. lots of side steps and filler

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Cersei is calling in all of the debt owed to the crown and bankrupting the realm in order to fund a fleet that she is building. The Faith Militant also has over 100 knights that have flocked to it.

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well those are quite important point. i'm sure we needed to hear dany whining about slavery more than explaining these important political points

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While the show hasn't depicted any of that, they have depicted how pissed off the commoners are back when Joffrey's caravan was attacked, and Sansa was almost raped.

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all were pre-margery. the commoners have only shown her love, praise, and adoration. the show framed her dudring her time with joffery as the PR master who change the public perception of the most hated man in kings landing.

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So it isn't a leap to think that the commoners wouldn't abandon him if they end up killing Margery during an attack by the King's forces.

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how in the frick can the holy men justify murder of prisoners? regardless of being attacked, the prisoners have not been found guilty yet and are under the protection of the faith millitant. it makes no sense that the commoners would be like "oh well yeah they are totally justified in murdering people who were no threat to them at the time".

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all were pre-margery. the commoners have only shown her love, praise, and adoration. the show framed her dudring her time with joffery as the PR master who change the public perception of the most hated man in kings landing.

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She wasn't changing the perception of Joffrey, just enduring herself to them (which is one of the many reasons that Cersei hates her). But they still weren't clueless as to what Joffrey was. And a religious leader who has sworn off wealth and is tending to the needs of the poor will always be loved more by the poor than a Queen that is living lavishly (even if she is making token donations to the poor). Plus you are assuming that the commoners would actually believe that the Faith killed them in cold blood. All the Faith Militant would have to say is that while they were trying to keep the King's forces out of the cells, Margery was accidentally killed (they could even say that the King's forces were the ones that killed her). It would be the Faith's word against the Kings.

But all of the is moot since I doubt the High Sparrow would kill Margery. The problem is that Cersei as already put that thought in Tommen's head, and he is a scared little 10 year old boy (at least I believe that is what his age is in the books, I'm not sure how old he is suppose to be on the show). Tommen doesn't have the balls to march on the Faith, and is too naive to believe they won't kill Margery (and now Cersei) if he tried. Maybe TQOT and LF can convince him otherwise before all is said and done.

Anytime in history whenever commoners rise up against royalty. They always want blood. They blame them for everything gone wrong with their lives and they want their head on a spike.

They would cheer for any royal members blood in the streets.

If they spent episodes explaining the unrest of common folk and Cercei starving people to build ships, you don't think you'd be complaining about filler and side stepping?

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well the show has not done a good job of explaining that unrest. apparently the book did

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Joffery getting pelted with shite and rocks didn't show unrest?

In my opinion, the show-runners made a mistake going with Dorne this season instead of sticking with the Ironborn. I cracked up when Mel was telling Stannis to remember the power of the Kings blood sacrifice and she mentions the death of Joff and Robb and of course, no mention of Balon. I guess Stannis should have said, "Well you're right, two outta three aint bad! Let's sacrifice my only daughter and living heir!"

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Joffery getting pelted with shite and rocks didn't show unrest?

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as did good king Tommen being called a bastard and an abomination at the sept.
Huge power vacuum now, this episode set things up more than any other this season.

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As long as Ramsay is on this show it will never be a mess and always be tolerable

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He is delightfully evil.

Maester Aemon- "Egg, is that you?"
Mel -"Yes, this is your little brother Aegon, please hold still while I leech every last ounce of blo....,errrrr......sickness out of you."