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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well the stark children's hair isn't that dark, right?
I believe in the books they all share Neds qualities very strongly except Sansa who is a spitting image of Cat. Even Arya looked just like Ned
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well the stark children's hair isn't that dark, right?
I believe in the books it is said that Jon has more Stark like features than his brothers (or half brothers or whatever). Tyrion even comments about how much Jon has the traditional Stark appearances (especially his face).
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:11 pm to wildtigercat93
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Ned thought his sister was kidnapped by Rhager and the entire Tower of Joy Sequence
True, but he certainly learned the truth on Lyanna's deathbed.
And now only Howland Reed (and, if he's still alive, The Sword of the Morning) can personally verify the truth. As we're certain Ned told no one, as he didn't tell Cat or Jon. Assuming Dayne did not survive the battle, then Reed may have told someone, most likely another crannogman, but it would be secondhand from here on.
Martin has confirmed that Reed will make a future appearance in the novels - so there is almost no other reason for that - and, perhaps to confirm another fact about Lyanna.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:11 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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This is a good point. I was basically sold on "R+L = J" before last night and I initially thought last night proved it... But then I got to thinking about the red priestess trying to seduce Jon, and how she only really tries that on people with Kings blood... And how she feels the Baratheons are the true kings.... Very interesting.
That's not really how "kings blood" works. If you have a royal claim to it, she can use it for her magic.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:13 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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I believe in the books they all share Neds qualities very strongly
This is my impression, as well - Sansa resembling the river folk more, with the others all more traditionally northern in appearance.
One thing about the Targ hair - apparently it is more pronounced with inbreeding - Rhaegar/Dany's family tree doesn't fork for 3 generations, so Jon Snow's lack of traditional Targ features isn't dispositive, IMHO.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:13 pm to wildtigercat93
but the possibilities can split both ways
and if rhaegar lied (to protect lyanna), she would be protected
and if rhaegar lied (to protect lyanna), she would be protected
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:14 pm to Ace Midnight
Yeah I bet Rhegar and Elia's kids all looked Dornish
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:14 pm to wildtigercat93
Ah, I see. I suppose in that scenario she would have a point with Jon if he is in fact half-Targaryen.
Although I'd rather give Maester Aemon some Viagra potion and try him, he seems like the easier target at this point
Although I'd rather give Maester Aemon some Viagra potion and try him, he seems like the easier target at this point
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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Assuming Dayne did not survive the battle
I think there is a better shot of his sister being alive than him. However have Selmy died last night, I don't see her making it on to the show.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's a very flimsy theory you're coming up with here IMO
I know you're a lawyer but beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't apply here
I know you're a lawyer but beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't apply here
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:18 pm to wildtigercat93
i was just trying to think of alternative theories. it's just SUCH a popular theory that i can see GRRM being like "ok frick that"
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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One thing about the Targ hair - apparently it is more pronounced with inbreeding - Rhaegar/Dany's family tree doesn't fork for 3 generations, so Jon Snow's lack of traditional Targ features isn't dispositive, IMHO.
And usually "lite" colored traits are recessive, and most of the Targ traits are considered "lite" traits. Stark traits are dominant traits (dark hair and eyes), so it makes perfect sense for Jon to look more Stark in appearance since Lyanna was a Stark.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:20 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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But then I got to thinking about the red priestess trying to seduce Jon
And this isn't necessarily King's Blood (and I posted this earlier, but unsure if in this thread or the "bookish" thread) - in the books, Melisandre tried this on Davos, not Jon, when Davos was in his cell. In the show, however, she appears to be treating Jon with the same respect/reverence she normally reserves for Stannis, and to a lesser extent, Gendry (which was also a shift from the books from Edric Storm). So, I do treat that as an overt nod on the show to the theory, at least, going back to her initial reaction to Jon Snow. There is overwhelming support for the theory in the books, with the numerous flashbacks by Ned, the various people telling various parts of the tournament at Harrenhall, etc.
Even if we don't get a prequel series, I would love a flashback scene of that tourney - probably the single most significant recent historical event, perhaps excepting Ruby Ford and the sack of King's Landing - any of those 3 things are ripe for a flashback.
Probably cost-prohibitive, but a flashback episode covering those 4 events, plus the Tower of Joy would make good television.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:21 pm to Ace Midnight
Bittersteel& Bloodraven were 1/2 Targaryen, 1/2 Bracken/Blackwood(Riverlands)
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:21 pm to Bamatab
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so it makes perfect sense for Jon to look more Stark in appearance since Lyanna was a Stark.
And Lyanna is described as being particularly "northern" in appearance, with very dark hair, IIRC.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Slightly off topic here, but I found Stannis' speech to his daughter last night to be fricking awesome
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:23 pm to NawlinsTiger9
his "do your arms hang low?" move during the hug was the perfect icing for that cake
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:26 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Slightly off topic here, but I found Stannis' speech to his daughter last night to be fricking awesome
I agree. It shed Stannis in a different light, and it worked really well (especially his attempt at the hug).
I just wonder if them showing his affectionate side is a foreshadowing of him being killed this season. Normally on shows like this, when a character is starting to be shown in a "redemptive" light, it usually doesn't bode well for that person. I could see a scenario where the show writers need to hurry the story up, so they have Stannis die in the siege of Winterfell at some point this season.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:27 pm to Ace Midnight
Ahh, that clears a lot of things up. Thanks.
And a flashback scene at some point seems like a plausible thing to work into the plot considering some of the more supernatural elements at play so far. (i.e. - melisandre dropping the "you know nothing" line last night)
And a flashback scene at some point seems like a plausible thing to work into the plot considering some of the more supernatural elements at play so far. (i.e. - melisandre dropping the "you know nothing" line last night)
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:30 pm to TigerintheNO
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I think there is a better shot of his sister being alive than him.
For those who might be unfamiliar, the theory goes - Dayne was widely considered the best swordsman of his day, possibly excepting Selmy. Now, there was a young Jaime Lannister on the same Kingsguard, but Dayne also had the Dayne's family sword, Dawn - so that combination makes folks skeptical that this final confrontation between Ned Stark - certainly a capable fighter, but known more for his leadership qualities and loyalty than swordsmanship - he was not ill-equipped because, at that point, he was the leading Stark and had Ice - but Ned himself admitted (and I believe in both the show and books) - that he wouldn't have made it, but for Howland Reed - now that is up to speculation, because it has never been specified.
Theories abound - outside of Dorne, only the Crannogmen are known to use poisons, routinely, so maybe that was it. Or a sneak attack - or just gave enough of a threat with a long fork and net to give Ned the edge. But, I digress - it's possible Reed reached Lyanna first and brought the baby down - thus giving Dayne a reason to surrender with honor.
The final little bit, which may be nothing, Ned is quoted as saying "they" had to pull him off of Lyanna's dead body.
If only he and Reed survived the battle, who is "they"? And if he misspoke, could little Howland Reed pull big Ned Stark somewhere he didn't want to be pulled? So that implies at least one other survivor of the battle, possibly a Kingsguard who surrendered. To complete the ruse, Ned takes Dawn back to the the Daynes, and takes the child (JS) and claims him as his own bastard, despite being his nephew.
If you are looking for a possibility, it is there.
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I think there is a better shot of his sister being alive than him. However have Selmy died last night, I don't see her making it on to the show.
I don't even think we're going to see Darkstar, so I agree with you.
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