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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i was just trying to think of alternative theories. it's just SUCH a popular theory that i can see GRRM being like "ok frick that"
He had a good quote about this saying some fan theories were right and he thought about changing his story to suprise the people who had a already guessed it but ultimately decided that the clues were already there and it would be irresponsible to change the story for the small percentage that had guess it already
Now he could certainly change his mind but the show won't, and if he does then it'll cheapen the series IMO
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i was just trying to think of alternative theories. it's just SUCH a popular theory that i can see GRRM being like "ok frick that"
He said he's not changing the outcomes based on correctly guessed theories because he's already laid out the clues.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:39 pm to wildtigercat93
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He had a good quote about this saying some fan theories were right and he thought about changing his story to suprise the people who had a already guessed it but ultimately decided that the clues were already there and it would be irresponsible to change the story for the small percentage that had guess it already
And I'm hoping this covers stuff that is completely not in the show - Coldhands (Is he Benjen or not? I don't care in the long run, but I'd like an answer either way - it doesn't really make sense if he's not, unless he's a Stark who took the black generations ago.) Sword of the Morning?
Could be spoilerish, so don't read (and I haven't even got to the part in the books yet, FWIF) - Ser Robert Strong is almost certainly going to make an appearance on the show. But what of the Hound? While the gravedigger appear?
And, while we're on the subject of "How are they going to work themselves out of that pickle?" - So, they actually have Jeyne Poole at Moat Caillan and Winterfell, but they're going with the real Sansa instead of the fake Arya. Do we see them dispensing of pages and pages with a quick intervention by you-know-who to rescue you-know-whom? Maybe the siege by Stannis to provide the opportunity?
Interesting. Also, I'm curious if Melisandre will actually leave the wall and travel south with Stannis. I have a suspicion.
And is Davos going to White Harbor? Will he get set on the path of someone or are they just ignoring that branch?
I do recognize the limitations of television, but I have so many questions.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:40 pm to Gusoline
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i think its dumb selmy was supposed to be this legendary swordsman. bron is out there dropping 4 guys on horseback with ease and selmy gets raped by 6 guys in masks with shite vision.
He was a legendary swordsman. Per his show aging, he served with the Kingsguard for 40 some odd years. So that probably puts him in his 60s/early 70s. And he still mowed some guys down like a boss.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
Strength in numbers. I don't care how good of a sword men you are, you probably aren't defeating 20 men coming at you at once
The fact that he got 12 dudes at 70 years old before getting snuck on is a testament to how badass he was
The fact that he got 12 dudes at 70 years old before getting snuck on is a testament to how badass he was
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:52 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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she feels the Baratheons are the true kings....
Does she?... Does she?
I'm only through book 3 so I have no idea.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 2:53 pm to UMRealist
I've always thought her "Stannis is the one true king" schtick on the show was a little half hearted
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:06 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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This is a good point. I was basically sold on "R+L = J" before last night and I initially thought last night proved it... But then I got to thinking about the red priestess trying to seduce Jon, and how she only really tries that on people with Kings blood... And how she feels the Baratheons are the true kings....
I think you have a valid point with noting that on the show she's been attracted to those of "king's blood". If R + L = J is true he'd have the blood of a Targaryen king. But I'd also like to point out that Robb potentially legitimized Jon as the next in line as King of the North too. So I don't know how that could play into the whole "kings blood" deal either.
As far as how she feels about the Baratheons, given what we've read of her in the books and seen on the show, she rolls with what her visions "show" her. Just so happens to this point it has shown her Stannis as the potential Azor Ahai.
And like the narration in the books by certain characters, I think it's important to point out that her visions are also of her interpretation and influence. The interpretations can be flawed in translation.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:07 pm to wildtigercat93
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I've always thought her "Stannis is the one true king" schtick on the show was a little half hearted
In the books and the show, I've always taken it as an analogy for her religious beliefs - they have what they argue as the one true god - makes sense to support one true king - said king who also supports the one true god.
And her quote, "There is only 1 war" rang true with me as well. Most people are seeing their little piece (or, like LF, Cersei and Dany, their overarching ambition) - when only Melisandre (thus far) sees how all the pieces fit together, although Jon and Sam are getting to that realization, as well.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:08 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I think it's important to point out that her visions are also of her interpretation and influence. The interpretations can be flawed in translation.
And support for this are quotes from Melisandre, herself.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:13 pm to UMRealist
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Does she?... Does she?
I've read the books and I don't think that's 100% I think she backed Stannis because by Wrsterosi rules he is the one true king but she could have other motives.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I think you have a valid point with noting that on the show she's been attracted to those of "king's blood". If R + L = J is true he'd have the blood of a Targaryen king
Remember there's another at the Wall, who has King's blood. And no one can question his blood line.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:32 pm to TigerintheNO
There's also another still rowing 
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:32 pm to TigerintheNO
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Remember there's another at the Wall, who has King's blood. And no one can question his blood line.
You talking the guy who has lived too long or the guy that everyone thinks is dead (and, heck, for that matter, may very well be dead in the television show)?
Because I don't think Maester Aemon would survive the leeches, much less making a shadow baby with Melisandre -
Think of the 2 huge wars that would have been avoided if Aemon had accepted the crown.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:36 pm to Ace Midnight
She would burn him like she did the "King beyond the Wall"
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:38 pm to TigerintheNO
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She would burn him like she did the "King beyond the Wall"
Have you read that part of the books, baw?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:44 pm to Ace Midnight
Yes, she has burned others as well, Stannis' in laws.
Also Maester Aemon might be old, but his uncle is still alive, another son of a King. It would interesting to see him burn.
Also Maester Aemon might be old, but his uncle is still alive, another son of a King. It would interesting to see him burn.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:55 pm to TigerintheNO
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Also Maester Aemon might be old, but his uncle is still alive, another son of a King. It would interesting to see him burn.
Targs don't burn right? Or is that only dragon fire that that applies to?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 3:59 pm to wildtigercat93
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Or is that only dragon fire that that applies to?
Did Dany use dragon fire to burn up Drogo's pyre?
And, didn't Viserys burn?
So some Targs can burn - other Targs cannot burn.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 4:00 pm to Ace Midnight
Do they explain why though they some burn and some don't?
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