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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Edition ***Spoilers Possible***
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:42 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:42 am to wildtigercat93
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The show just kind of yelled it last night and the pre info is fair game
The pre info is fair game in here, but the most strict adherents to the Faith Hodorant (or Hodor Militant
) don't want it there if it wasn't shown explicitly on the show.
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Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:55 am to TigerintheNO
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Question- In the show who holds Riverrun?
Per the show wiki it says the Freys. I'm curious if they'll ever tie up the Blackfish loose end.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:59 am to Bamatab
frick it, I'm coming over here.
Watching the pre-video now.
So Tyrion is a Targaryen? And now he's reuniting with his sister? Who knows who his father really is? Varys?
Sorry for losing my shite in the Hodor thread WTC93, it's just so fricking frustrating.
Watching the pre-video now.
So Tyrion is a Targaryen? And now he's reuniting with his sister? Who knows who his father really is? Varys?
Sorry for losing my shite in the Hodor thread WTC93, it's just so fricking frustrating.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:00 am to PsychTiger
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The show just kind of yelled it last night and the pre info is fair game The pre info is fair game in here, but the most strict adherents to the Faith Hodorant (or Hodor Militant ) don't want it there if it wasn't shown explicitly on the show.
The info used is from the pre show/book information which is given on the DVD extras from all the seasons
It's not like R + J = L is explicitly said in the books (as far as I know), it's just a theory with the same supporting evidence in both mediums now
At this point if you can't talk about R + J = L in the show, then you shouldn't be allowed to talk about who you think will end up winning the whole thing, or anything of that nature
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:01 am to Bamatab
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They obviously have a very broad definition of what a spoiler is. I wasn't even the first one to mention R+L=J, a supposed Hodor did. I then asked if that could be discussed, and someone said it had already been brought up in the Hodor threads and was ok to discuss.
Things we learned about the Hodor thread a long time ago (and just advise for others):
1) If it's not physically seen on the show, implied or not, they don't want it discussed. This goes all the way back to things as simple as the online HBO accompaniment calling Catelyn's brother The Blackfish (in credits as well) and they complained it was a spoiler because it wasn't explicitly said on the show until the next episode. So until someone comes out and says "Hey Jon Snow's mother is _______" they won't want it discussed.
2) Offering background info like the DVD content is a no-no. Discussing theories that have been established in the books (even if also on the show) is a no-no.
Basically, if you want to discuss anything beyond what is explicitly said on the show, you'll need to do it here. That's just how they want it and it is what it is. Trying to force the issue will do nothing but get you banned.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:02 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:01 am to KosmoCramer
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frick it, I'm coming over here. Watching the pre-video now.
You'll like it a lot better here.
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So Tyrion is a Targaryen? And now he's reuniting with his sister? Who knows who his father really is? Varys?
This, and everything else you've read so far, is just a fan theory. There are countless numbers of them
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Sorry for losing my shite in the Hodor thread WTC93, it's just so fricking frustrating.
I understand. I did the same thing last year
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:02 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:02 am to KosmoCramer
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So Tyrion is a Targaryen? And now he's reuniting with his sister? Who knows who his father really is? Varys?
No one knows for sure. I personally don't think he is. the only thing anyone knows for sure is that he dreams of dragons, and his father hated him. Both of those were shown on the show.
Now R+L=J is far more likely, but it is also just a theory.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:02 am to wildtigercat93
When Tywin was on the shitter, didn't he say something to the effect of "You're not my son" or am I dreaming that?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:04 am to Bamatab
Who are R and L and J
Rhaegar, Lyanna and Jon?
Rhaegar, Lyanna and Jon?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:06 am to KosmoCramer
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When Tywin was on the shitter, didn't he say something to the effect of "You're not my son" or am I dreaming that?
He said that, but I think that's more of him disowning Tyrion after he shot him. Don't think that's much evidence to the theory
OMLAndshark has an entire essay he can give you about that whole thing and how he feels about it
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:09 am to KosmoCramer
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So Tyrion is a Targaryen? And now he's reuniting with his sister? Who knows who his father really is? Varys?
Those are just theories, know one knows for sure. A lot of theories get started because there are three dragons and so far only one person to control them, Dany. 3 dragons need 3 riders and Tyrion is such a popular character a lot of people want there to be a way for him to be one of the dragon riders.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:09 am to KosmoCramer
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Who are R and L and J Rhaegar, Lyanna and Jon?
Yes.
The war was started because Rhaegar chased after Lyanna (said on the show last night) who was betrothed to Robert already
Rhagear "kidnapped" Lyanna (doubtful) (said on the show last night)
Robert starts a war, and wins, killing Rhaegar (said in the first season of the show)
Sometime after the war "I'm honorable as frick" Ned Stark comes home with a bastard. Most people (Stannis last night as the most recent example) don't buy that he would have a bastard
Watch the History and Lore part about The tower of Joy. That's where the whole theory comes from.
Tower of Joy info- Ned Comes to the tower where his sister is held, being guarded by the best kings guardsmen (protecting a princes mistress? Red flag)
They fight off the kings guard and Lyana in a pool of blood dies in Ned's arms and the only words being said are "promise me Ned, promise me"
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:11 am to KosmoCramer
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So Tyrion is a Targaryen?
There's long been a crackpot theory that he could be the bastard child of Joanna Lannister (Tywin's wife) and Mad King Aerys Targaryen via an alleged rape. It's all based on Tywin's known disdain for Tyrion, a mention in the books by Barristan Selmy that Aerys lusted after Tywin's wife, and at one point her leaving to go back to Casterly Rock before dying while giving birth to Tyrion. There was also the ever corroding relationship between Tywin and the Mad King too.
It's a pretty loose theory IMO and a bit of a stretch (I don't buy into it) but it's a theory nonetheless.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:14 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:15 am to wildtigercat93
How did Lyanna die?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:15 am to KosmoCramer
They don't really say. Just that she was in a pool of blood
Most people interpret that as child birth
Most people interpret that as child birth
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:20 am to wildtigercat93
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Most people interpret that as child birth
Hence, the R L J thing.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:23 am to KosmoCramer
Exactly.
Its still a theory but there's so much evidence to it that it's basically taken as fact to everyone (there are other theories as to who his parents are), and I think the show basically confirmed it last night because they shoved it in there like they did means it is obviously important
There's so much juice to the Roberts Rebellion story that the show does not cover and that's ashame
Its still a theory but there's so much evidence to it that it's basically taken as fact to everyone (there are other theories as to who his parents are), and I think the show basically confirmed it last night because they shoved it in there like they did means it is obviously important
There's so much juice to the Roberts Rebellion story that the show does not cover and that's ashame
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:23 am to wildtigercat93
Why the show never expounded on Robert's Rebellion is beyond me. I was so lost as to what was actually going on in the show until I was told to google it. Once I read up on RR, everything started to come together on the show.
At least D&D are now starting to throw out some background this season.
At least D&D are now starting to throw out some background this season.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:24 am to wildtigercat93
Here is an animation of Ned's fever dream (1st book) from when he was injured in the first season (show and book).
Tower of Joy
Tower of Joy
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:26 am to Bamatab
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Why the show never expounded on Robert's Rebellion is beyond me. I was so lost as to what was actually going on in the show until I was told to google it. Once I read up on RR, everything started to come together on the show.
If you know nothing about RR when you start the show, the entire first 2 seasons are just a guessing game. Everything is just people talking about stuff you don't understand, but there's tits and action so it gets you hooked
Watching it with the Robert rebellion info makes every move that much more interesting because you understand the ramifications and history behind it
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