GoT: Do you think Westeros is 'destined' for some fate? (spoilers)

I think the "destiny" is the title. I think it is "A Song of Ice and Fire."

I think that will be embodied by a single person, a major character, in fact.

In any conventional story, the protagonist(s) is/are destined for some end. Everything they do takes them one step closer to it.

If, for some reason, the Boltons, Freys, White Walkers, etc. "win" in Game of Thrones, and they are the ones left standing at the end, then you have to question whether the story was ever about anyone else other than them.

And if it was, then why?

It would be exceptionally weak storytelling if, somehow, the antagonists or ancillary characters are left standing at the end, with little to no development into them over the course of many books.

I think ultimately, despite the many twists and turns and bad things happening to good characters, Martin will follow convention and have one or more of his main protagonists finish the series on top.

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One or two of the main characters don't have to end up ruling to determine the fate of Westeros. It would seem very Martin for the death of one to end the series in an interesting way.

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Of course. I'm just saying what I think will happen.

The reason why I think we will see one or more of the protagonists winning... that is, the "good" guys - Jon, Dany and/or pals, is because at the end of the day, Martin is a storyteller. A good one, too. He can have lots of bad things happen along the way to good people, and have things turn out the way that you don't expect. He can also convince you that his "good" characters are not as good as you might think, and that the "bad" ones are not as bad as you think, either.

But the central fact remains that there has to be payoff in some way for the time spent with certain characters. If there is virtually no time spent on the White Walkers, and they end up "winning," then that's not an act of contrarian genius, it's bad storytelling. It would be a waste of everyone's time. I don't think Martin wants to do that. He can take little detours along the way into "dirtying" up his goods and "cleaning" up his bads, but like most authors, the characters with the most time on the page are the ones that have to be there at the end. If, say, Victarion Greyjoy ends up king of Westeros... that would just be a shitty series, not genius.

Not because Victarion is a "bad guy" or "sort of bad"... because we just don't know who he is. Same for the White Walkers. Same for the Boltons (we know a little about Ramsay, I acknowledge that... but not enough).

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Do you think Westeros is 'destined' for some fate?

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Limbo, unless that fat, lazy bitch gets busy writing.

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worthless Dany chapters

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after re-watching season 5 and all my hatred of danny, i don't know if i can suck it up and read the books and deal with her shite

With all the supernatural elements experiencing a reawakening, its probably safe to assume the game is going to either be wiped out or changed in a fundamental way that there will not be one clear winner or hero destined for greatness.

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i don't know if i can suck it up and read the books and deal with her shite

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I've already decided if I ever re-read the novels, I will skip all Dany chapters. Sad, but true.

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But the show and book will have the same ending. Since Aegon and Quentyn aren't in the show how will The Martells side against Dany?

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Dany is arrogant. She could do the bend the knee or burn BS and Dorne will side with the targ in the North who has proven to be more diplomatic.

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Plus you get a lot of Targ background.

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This is all the Dany chapters are good for. You miss a lot of Targaryen background if you don't read them, which is important for the grand scheme. If it wasn't for that, you could just skip them.

The hidden targaryan is the worst kept secret on the show. It was all but hinted at in season 1 and made even more obvious if you did a rewatch