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re: George Lucas Rips Hollywood Studios: They've ‘Always Been the Problem’
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:34 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:34 pm to Dr RC
actually I agree with you strongly about the potential and undeveloped ideas in the prequels...and I really do have a lot of respect for lucas, just in a peculiar way (and he's a peculiar guy)
but Harvey dent nailed this one
but Harvey dent nailed this one
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:37 pm to Dr RC
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and dude, you have to at least give that the light saber battles were pretty fun yes?
He already agreed with you on this point:
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honestly think there is some great stuff hidden under the crap in the prequels
they are every bit as horrible as people say and even worse...but I agree with this, especially when it comes to the phantom menace.
I agree too that there is some good stuff buried in each of the three crapfests and hope that many others would too. They were bad movies for the most part though.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:38 pm to Methuselah
yeah/maybe
I just feel I have a better understanding of him now...I think he's an incredible brain stormer and very creative, but can't take a step back and recognize when his ideas are not very good, corny or clichéd...I'll always love the man
empire and raiders are 2/5 favorite films, and ToD is in my top 10 of favorites.
I just feel I have a better understanding of him now...I think he's an incredible brain stormer and very creative, but can't take a step back and recognize when his ideas are not very good, corny or clichéd...I'll always love the man
empire and raiders are 2/5 favorite films, and ToD is in my top 10 of favorites.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:42 pm to Dr RC
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he truly thought he was creating a great film to the best of his abilities.
He was making a two hour toy commercial. I've got to respect him as a marketing genius though.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:44 pm to Brosef Stalin
and as a producer (in the $ sense) Seriously, listening to George talk about the production cost for phantom menace was impressive in the business sense of it.
None of this would exist, so he definitely is creative. I think its a shame he made it a non collaborative process after empire. I don't know if it was his ego or his creative pride, but damn...they all suck after empire
None of this would exist, so he definitely is creative. I think its a shame he made it a non collaborative process after empire. I don't know if it was his ego or his creative pride, but damn...they all suck after empire
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:47 pm to DelU249
But Kurtz didn't do much after Lucas. He produced The Dark Crystal but after that, nothing but crap.
People give Lucas a bad rap, but he was apex of movie making for 20 years. Most people can't come close to that. But, like aging chess masters, artists get older and they just aren't as good anymore. They don't have that edge or hunger, or whatever you want to call it. There are exceptions, but very few, IMO.
People give Lucas a bad rap, but he was apex of movie making for 20 years. Most people can't come close to that. But, like aging chess masters, artists get older and they just aren't as good anymore. They don't have that edge or hunger, or whatever you want to call it. There are exceptions, but very few, IMO.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 4:51 pm to UL-SabanRival
I get that...I'm not saying Kurtz went on to do all the best stuff either
I just think they were perfect together...they couldn't stand one another and would fight for their ideas, which that process itself leads to better ideas IMO. You prioritize and pick and choose your battles, so when you're right...you KNOW you're right
I don't know if it was mutual. Kurtz seems bitter which leads me to believe lucas just fricking fired the guy after he was an integral part of two crazy successful and critically acclaimed movies
I just think they were perfect together...they couldn't stand one another and would fight for their ideas, which that process itself leads to better ideas IMO. You prioritize and pick and choose your battles, so when you're right...you KNOW you're right
I don't know if it was mutual. Kurtz seems bitter which leads me to believe lucas just fricking fired the guy after he was an integral part of two crazy successful and critically acclaimed movies
Posted on 10/21/14 at 5:08 pm to Dr RC
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I dunno, I actually know quite a few (almost all younger) people that love the prequels and are bored out of their minds by the originals.
These people should be kept from civilised society.
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Regardless, he was talking about how studios DGAF about the movie as an art form. While we both probably agree GL's art REALLY needed a second voice (b/c I honestly think there is some great stuff hidden under the crap in the prequels and even Indy4) he still got to make HIS film HIS way w/o some creep bean counter directing him to do this, that, and the other.
Explain Samuel L. Jackson being in the prequels.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 5:09 pm to Dr RC
and how many expensive flops did the studios fund by trusting creative genius?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 5:47 pm to DelU249
There's probably some truth to that, but Spielberg gave Lucas total control of the story for Raiders, and it worked out pretty well, until, after years of idleness, his ideas just weren't any good anymore. By that time, there was no one to temper him, as he was an icon who could not be questioned or disagreed with.
I don't think a good producer could have kept his job trying to save the prequels or IJ 4. There is just too much they would have had to contend with, and I've always got tent the feeling that modern PC bullshite worked its way into his mind from within or from the outside, especially with the prequels. Elements like the elected queen, anti-commerce (trade federation), political commentary and what appeared to be the forced inclusion of every major culture seemed to be an effort to placate rather than entertain. Maybe it was just marketing.
Again, I just think his creativity was long past its prime. Nothing could have fixed it.
I don't think a good producer could have kept his job trying to save the prequels or IJ 4. There is just too much they would have had to contend with, and I've always got tent the feeling that modern PC bullshite worked its way into his mind from within or from the outside, especially with the prequels. Elements like the elected queen, anti-commerce (trade federation), political commentary and what appeared to be the forced inclusion of every major culture seemed to be an effort to placate rather than entertain. Maybe it was just marketing.
Again, I just think his creativity was long past its prime. Nothing could have fixed it.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 5:53 pm to Murray
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4/10 George
Such a fricking stupid comment.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 5:56 pm to Sentrius
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[George Lucas] does not think corporations are capable of nurturing talent and thinks they are the biggest problem in the movie business today
Says the man who sold his "creativity" to Disney.
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"...we don't trust you people and we think we know how to make movies,'” Lucas said. “The studios change everything all the time. And, unfortunately, they don't have any imagination and they don't have any talent.”
Says the man who made The Phantom Menace.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:00 pm to Sentrius
Yeah I was just reading the other day about how Paul Schrader, Nicolas Cage and Nicolas Winding Refn don't want you to see their new movie cause the studio reedited, rescored and cut their film to pieces.
LINK
Ashame too cause I'm a fan of these guys and it sounds like my kind of thriller.
LINK
Ashame too cause I'm a fan of these guys and it sounds like my kind of thriller.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:02 pm to UL-SabanRival
You think spielberg didn't have the balls or reputation to stand up to george when his ideas weren't good? I don't think he really gave a shite the 4th time around and it shows
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:02 pm to UL-SabanRival
Could very well be that, but I don't think people stop being creative
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:21 pm to Dr RC
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(and they are nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be)
Do you even Jar Jar Binks?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:27 pm to Pilot Tiger
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yea ok
I mean, I think he's completely full of it since he really IS the studio system, but he's right that no one would trust a Lucas with a non-established franchise with such weird ideas these days. The hypocrisy is that he wouldn't give these young ambitious film makers a chance either.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:29 pm to Dr RC
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I dunno, I actually know quite a few (almost all younger) people that love the prequels and are bored out of their minds by the originals.
Do you hang out with 14 year olds? I loved the prequels more than the originals when I was younger, but once I turned about say 15 or 16, I realized they were shite. I still had Sith when it was released below the original and Empire, although I enjoyed it.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:37 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Shitty movies aside, he's right about the studios. Most of what we see today is formulaic, because the studios are filled with businessmen, not artists. Thinking inside the box is good for popcorn movie profit in the short term, but eventually, all of the life is going to be squeezed out of the formulas.
Yeah, he's completely right, but what Lucas doesn't realize is that he IS a part of the system. The dude is worth 4 fricking billion dollars. Aside from Red Tails (which had a budget a 1/100 of his net worth), when was the last time he gave some young ambitious film maker the cash and financing to make a visionary film? Put your money where your mouth is, you pussy. The thing that Lucas doesn't want to acknowledge is that he IS the studio and part of the problem that he is bringing up.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:44 pm to Sentrius
Hollywood is first and foremost a business. The studios know how to satisfy the average movie-goer better than the talent. I'm not sure what "problem" he's even referring to. Not being allowed to make huge budget movies with other people's money and no concern for profitability? That's a good thing. It affords the studios and the talent the option to create films with more artistic ideals.
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