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re: Favorite & least favorite film in imdb top20?
Posted on 6/12/15 at 2:08 pm to molsusports
Posted on 6/12/15 at 2:08 pm to molsusports
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I like that you generally have a thoughtful viewpoint but... the shockingly common use of frontal lobe lobotomies by American mental health practitioners is an important story that overshadows your concerns IMO.
I honestly thought I was going to take much more crap for speaking ill of Cuckoo's Nest, which is genuine sacred cow to a generation of movie fans. It's right up there with bad-mouthing Jaws.
I get where you're coming from, and I do agree lobotomies are a terrible, terrible thing, but it's not really what the film is about. Their abuse of Jack in the end is clearly over the line, but I really don't feel like the point of the film is take a stand against lobotomies, or even the mental health profession. I just think it's a bit heavy-handed and it stacks the deck in favor of its argument, primarily evidenced by giving the hero of the film a lobotomy. I mean, its so over the top.
I do like the film and I'm actually sympathetic to its worldview... I just think they overstate the case. And I don't like a rigged debate. It shows a lack of genuine belief in your argument (as every viewpoint has flaws, you just have to admit and confront them).
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Posted on 6/12/15 at 2:10 pm to Jamohn
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Only movie on the list I haven't seen is The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Don't know whether to be sad for you or jealous of you because you can now go see it for the first time. Really, I think you'd like it. If you have any interest in westerns at all, you should check it out.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 2:14 pm to tigerfan84
Favorite: Shawshank (hate on haters 
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Least: The Matrix
Haven't Seen: Seven Samurai
As for the commentary on Schindler's List, it's a fantastic movie. Incredibly thought and emotion provoking. But I don't know that I could ever watch it all the way through again.
) Least: The Matrix
Haven't Seen: Seven Samurai
As for the commentary on Schindler's List, it's a fantastic movie. Incredibly thought and emotion provoking. But I don't know that I could ever watch it all the way through again.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 2:21 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:I agree that I should and have been meaning to for a while.
You should remedy that. It's really very good.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 2:52 pm to Baloo
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Their abuse of Jack in the end is clearly over the line, but I really don't feel like the point of the film is take a stand against lobotomies, or even the mental health profession. I just think it's a bit heavy-handed and it stacks the deck in favor of its argument, primarily evidenced by giving the hero of the film a lobotomy. I mean, its so over the top.
I do like the film and I'm actually sympathetic to its worldview... I just think they overstate the case. And I don't like a rigged debate. It shows a lack of genuine belief in your argument (as every viewpoint has flaws, you just have to admit and confront them).
Why don't you think the movie emphasizes what's wrong about the mental health profession?
It is heavy handed, but the truth is worse. When the Soviets (among others) declare the lobotomy procedure inhumane while we do tens of thousands of them it seems to me the audience is deprived of an even uglier reality.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:01 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:It's fantastic and may still be my favorite movie of all time.
No. Episode IV is terrible. It is highly rated out of nostalgia and for what it meant to SciFi as a whole. It is the invention of the movie epic.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:18 pm to molsusports
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Why don't you think the movie emphasizes what's wrong about the mental health profession?
It is heavy handed, but the truth is worse.
Lobotomies were common in th 1940s and 50s but had almost completely fallen out of favor by 1970. Most nations had outlawed the procedure, not that anyone was still performing them at that late dat except the quackiest of quacks. By the time the movie came out in 1975, the lobotomy was not practiced in American mental hospitals. The book came out in 1962, when it was at least possible to have a lobotomy, but even then, it had fallen out of favor except in the most extreme cases.
The reason is twofold: they are ineffective and we developed drugs to deal with metal disorders. A film coming out in 1975 to warn the American public of the dangers of the lobotomy is like a film coming out now to warn us of the Y2K bug.
It's a shock tactic, and one that wouldn't have been used on McMurtry. It wasn't a punitive procedure and even then, there is the element of consent for any surgical procedure. Even if the film was set when a lobotomy was more likely, like 1950, the doctors still likely would have gotten consent (ok, probably fraudulently, but they still check the box).
Posted on 6/12/15 at 3:35 pm to Baloo
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The book came out in 1962, when it was at least possible to have a lobotomy, but even then, it had fallen out of favor except in the most extreme cases.
As you note, the book was written in 1962, not 1975. The procedure was performed in the United States until 1967. Yes, most of those took place in the 40s and 50s, but no it was not practiced only on individuals for whom a moral health practitioner should have concluded there was no other option.
There are unfortunately a lot of examples of this. NPR did a story on this featuring Howard Dully (an unruly boy who was lobotomized only 2 years before the book was published):
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I would also argue that a viewer who thinks this raises questions about only the lobotomy procedure and not the issue of how people with mental health issues are treated has missed the larger point. For that matter the viewer should surely consider how people sucked up into the mental health system like Howard Dully, women with postpartum depression, or the protagonist are treated without regard for their best interests.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:15 pm to jrodslu
You see, I disagree with most of that.
A New Hope really is the darkest.
I don't really care about quotes (though I did manage to work an ESB quote into work the other day "we need, what about you need")
Luke isn't transformed to shite. A major point of the movie is that he doesn't know what he's doing.
Boba Fett in my opinion is entirely overrated.
And that's not even really getting into the strengths of the other movies over Empire
A New Hope really is the darkest.
I don't really care about quotes (though I did manage to work an ESB quote into work the other day "we need, what about you need")
Luke isn't transformed to shite. A major point of the movie is that he doesn't know what he's doing.
Boba Fett in my opinion is entirely overrated.
And that's not even really getting into the strengths of the other movies over Empire
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